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04-05-2013, 02:21 PM
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This is what I would like to see next year.

Bailey - Tavares - Okposo
Martin - Nielsen - Grabner
Moulson - Strome - Niño
McDonald - Cizikas - Lee/Nelson

I think you have to start Strome and niño n the third line and make their play earn it to be on the second.


A little outside the box thinking for next year, it would never happen, but I would like to see Frans with JT. I think he can open up a lot of the ice for him and take some pressure off defensively. Something Like this.

Frans - JT - Moulson
Bailey - Strome - KO
Grabner - Nelson - Lee/Nino
Martin - Cizikas - Cmac


I have a hard time placing Grabner. Will we have 3/4 rookies in the lineup? Doubtful. But its also doubtful Garth picks up an impact UFA. Best part about this lineup. No Boyes.

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04-05-2013, 02:54 PM
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Dan-o, signing a guy like Ryder or Horton would be huge for this team, but I have my doubts that will happen. However I can see a trade going down. There are just too many forwards on this team right now and more in Bridgeport. It's clear that an upgrade needs to happen (Specifically on the top line) one way or another.
How do you figure this? Under team control for next year we have
JT
Moulson
Bailey
Nielsen
Okposo
Grabner
Martin
Cizikas
McDonald

That's 9 NHL players. That leaves 3 spots for prospects or upgrades. I think we could bring in 1 more forward, and let Strome/Lee/Nelson/Nino battle it out for 2 spots.

That said, I do think a forward (Grabner or Okposo) could go to get us a goalie or defenseman.

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This is what I would like to see next year.

Bailey - Tavares - Okposo
Martin - Nielsen - Grabner
Moulson - Strome - Niño
McDonald - Cizikas - Lee/Nelson

I think you have to start Strome and niño n the third line and make their play earn it to be on the second.
I like some of that, but I just don't think Okposo is a 1st line RW and I think it messes with his head and his game if he tries to play that way (dipsy-doodle east-west instead of north-south). I also think next year Bailey may have to transition to C. I'll throw this out:

Martin - Tavares - Strome
Moulson/Nino - Bailey - Okposo
Nelson - Nielsen - Grabner
Lee - Cizikas - McDonald

At some point in the season Martin may swap with Nelson or Lee if they transition well. In a year or two Strome becomes 2nd line C. And then hopefully JT makes lots of new friends and Moulson can be traded (at the draft would be nice, IMO).

Bottom line, and this could be a thread, the Isles have built up some serious depth to the point where they'll have to make some deals if these kids pan out.

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Next season.

Moulson - Tavares - *Clowe/Horton
Martin- Bailey - Okposo
Nino - Nielsen - Grabner
*Clarkson - Cizikas - McDonald

* Free agent signings

Clowe or Horton would immensely improve that #1 line

Nino is ready and Nielsen will help his game defensively.

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04-05-2013, 10:55 PM
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I like some of that, but I just don't think Okposo is a 1st line RW and I think it messes with his head and his game if he tries to play that way (dipsy-doodle east-west instead of north-south). I also think next year Bailey may have to transition to C. I'll throw this out:

Martin - Tavares - Strome
Moulson/Nino - Bailey - Okposo
Nelson - Nielsen - Grabner
Lee - Cizikas - McDonald

At some point in the season Martin may swap with Nelson or Lee if they transition well. In a year or two Strome becomes 2nd line C. And then hopefully JT makes lots of new friends and Moulson can be traded (at the draft would be nice, IMO).

Bottom line, and this could be a thread, the Isles have built up some serious depth to the point where they'll have to make some deals if these kids pan out.


Quantity of good prospects is something I always give Snow respect for, but where he has failed is lack of high end quality.

Something needs to give before this club is paralyzed in The Mediocre Team Zone. That's the space semi-decent clubs fall into with one or two great players, but never add enough better bodies to become real contenders, and never suck bad enough to get the Joneses or MacKinnons of the world to help put them over the top. We have one top end forward and defenseman in the "core" youth and then a bunch of questionmarks or good depth players, but depth players all the same. Even if one of Strome or Nino climb into elite status, we still need more high end parts, and our goaltending is now another huge concern.

And now we won't be getting the can't miss prospects for free anymore. A trade will need to occur, yet the organization won't consider that route anymore for reasons I don't comprehend.

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04-06-2013, 01:14 AM
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Holy Bejeavers!!!

Bailey Tavares A. Lee

Moulson Nelson Strome

Grabner Neilsen Okposo

Martin Cizikas McDonald

**** Ullstrom, Nino Niederreiter, Joensuu

Out, Gone, See ya: Reasoner, Boyes, Boulton, and Aucoin

** I really don't see Moulson being anything other than a power play specialist. He is terrible at full strength. Can't play D and doesn't score at full stregth..
[B[/B][/B] Moulson really is hard to fit in. He's pretty useless on any line other than with Tavares, but yet, I feel Tavares would better be served with either a tougher linemate to open up space, or a more skilled linemate such as Bailey or Strome (next year)... what to do with the guy known as Moulson??


On D:

Visnovsky Hamonic

Streit MacDonald

Strait Carkner

Hickey Donovan

Solid 8 D-men (that's without Finley)..... Reinhart, Pedan, Mayfield and De Haan are coming to a theatre near you soon!! .... heck, I have to list it:

Reinhart Hamonic

Donovan Mayfield

Pedan De Haan

MacDonald Strait

Hickey......... oh yeah!!!

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Hello from Austria,
I am biased as i come from the same town than Grabner i admit, and watching at 1.00 am in the morning doesnt give one the advantage of being fully awake at times but no one has mentioned Grabners +/- statistics, it is much better than most forwards here.

I do focus on his shifts on him and there i usually can see how smart and clever he makes the live difficult for the opposing players. His ability to anticipate what will the opponent do next by 5 on 5 is in my opinion just as good as his speed.

Another thing is i noticed the last few weeks is that he is much more present in and around the slot. I dont think the coach has the ability to get the best out of what he has to offer, either he doesnt care or he doesnt know how to, same with Tavares...

on a last note, anyone knows why Grabner never plays in PowerPlays?

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Hello from Austria,
I am biased as i come from the same town than Grabner i admit, and watching at 1.00 am in the morning doesnt give one the advantage of being fully awake at times but no one has mentioned Grabners +/- statistics, it is much better than most forwards here.

I do focus on his shifts on him and there i usually can see how smart and clever he makes the live difficult for the opposing players. His ability to anticipate what will the opponent do next by 5 on 5 is in my opinion just as good as his speed.

Another thing is i noticed the last few weeks is that he is much more present in and around the slot. I dont think the coach has the ability to get the best out of what he has to offer, either he doesnt care or he doesnt know how to, same with Tavares...

on a last note, anyone knows why Grabner never plays in PowerPlays?
haha

Servus! Herzlich Wilkommen!

There are a few Austrians in the house....but I think ur the first from Villach. 8-)

Grabner is great on the PK. He has great anticipation skills and speeds which makes it difficult for the other team to make a play without Grabs inteferring!

I don't think Grabs is on the PP because he can't close the deal very well and there are better playmakers/passers on the team.

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04-06-2013, 08:43 AM
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Reinhart, Pedan, Mayfield and De Haan are coming to a theatre near you soon!!
Define "soon."

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haha

Servus! Herzlich Wilkommen!

There are a few Austrians in the house....but I think ur the first from Villach. 8-)

Grabner is great on the PK. He has great anticipation skills and speeds which makes it difficult for the other team to make a play without Grabs inteferring!

I don't think Grabs is on the PP because he can't close the deal very well and there are better playmakers/passers on the team.
Yes there are. Servus auch von mir ;-)
But I have to admit it started with Grabner but now I would stay an Islanders fan even if he is gone. It is some sort of weird addiction.

Regarding Grabs: While it is true that he is not handled correctly - e.g. he should get much more ES minutes, I can fully understand why he is not on the PP. His speed is utilized much better in other situations.

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2013-14 lineup

Moulson-JT- Boyes*
Bailey- Strome- Okposo
Lee/Nelson- Nielsen- Grabner
Martin - cizikas- mcdonald

I put a star next to Boyes name because i figure/hope it is someone else via trade or fa

I also don't see capuano putting so many rookies in the lineup

I really don't know what will happen with ullstrom 13 forward/ injury replacement i guess

Nino and lee/nelson also will start the year in the ahl

Streit/donovan -viz
macdonald-hamonic
strait- carkner
hickey

If Streit re-signs i don't know what will happen with donovon

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2013-14 lineup

Moulson-JT- Boyes*
Bailey- Strome- Okposo
Lee/Nelson- Nielsen- Grabner
Martin - cizikas- mcdonald

I put a star next to Boyes name because i figure/hope it is someone else via trade or fa

I also don't see capuano putting so many rookies in the lineup

I really don't know what will happen with ullstrom 13 forward/ injury replacement i guess

Nino and lee/nelson also will start the year in the ahl

Streit/donovan -viz
macdonald-hamonic
strait- carkner
hickey

If Streit re-signs i don't know what will happen with donovon
Hickey's not a done deal yet either. That could be the reason they haven't signed him. Maybe they think Donavan is a better choice for next year.

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Hello from Austria,
I am biased as i come from the same town than Grabner i admit, and watching at 1.00 am in the morning doesnt give one the advantage of being fully awake at times but no one has mentioned Grabners +/- statistics, it is much better than most forwards here.

I do focus on his shifts on him and there i usually can see how smart and clever he makes the live difficult for the opposing players. His ability to anticipate what will the opponent do next by 5 on 5 is in my opinion just as good as his speed.

Another thing is i noticed the last few weeks is that he is much more present in and around the slot. I dont think the coach has the ability to get the best out of what he has to offer, either he doesnt care or he doesnt know how to, same with Tavares...

on a last note, anyone knows why Grabner never plays in PowerPlays?
servas!

he is like the worst player we have on the boards, his slapshot also isnt good, we have better guys for the pp. I think Red Bull is correct in saying that grabner needs a high hockey IQ defensive center to be used to full effect. I hope nelson is that guy next year.

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servas!

he is like the worst player we have on the boards, his slapshot also isnt good, we have better guys for the pp. I think Red Bull is correct in saying that grabner needs a high hockey IQ defensive center to be used to full effect. I hope nelson is that guy next year.
Grabs is such a unique talent, I can't figure out the best way to use him, to be honest, but I do know he needs to play more, and with better players. He has really improved this year, yet his numbers don't really show it and he's hardly playing, and when he is playing, he has Nino-type linemates.

He has weaknesses, for sure, but I think Grabner's strengths (anticipation, explosive/deadly speed) are the best in hockey and his weaknesses are far from liabilities (especially when you compare to other forwards' weaknesses (Boyes, Moulson in particular)

Bottom line, he should play more.

Cappy needs to get his best players into positions to maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. He's not doing that with Tavares or Grabner, and the Isles need both those game breakers to make the playoffs.

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My line combos next year for both the island and bridgeport. PLEASE comment, i (tried) thinking these lines through...would appreciate feedback!

island

lee - jt - bobby ryan
bailey - nielsen - okposo
grabner - nelson - mcdonald
martin- cizikas - boyes
add: JJ & boulton

viz-hamonic
Donovan-UFA (otherwise MacDonald)
Strait- Carkner
add: Hickey, Martinek

Nabby
Poulin

Bridgeport

Theoret - Strome- Nino
Persson - Sundstrom - Ullstrom
Diamond - Aucoin - KK
Gallant - Capuano - Riley (4th line gets few minutes, add toughness)

De Haan - Mayfield
Kichton - Pedan
Ness - Finley
add: Landry & Wishart

Nilsson
Koskinnen

Trade: some combination around Moulson & MacDonald for Ryan. I know

if ryan doesnt work out: keep moulson on 1st line lw and move martin to the 1st line RW (lee takes his spot on the 4th line). Trade moulson next year at deadline. replace UFA on 2nd pairing with MacDonald.

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My line combos next year for both the island and bridgeport. PLEASE comment, i (tried) thinking these lines through...would appreciate feedback!

island

lee - jt - bobby ryan
bailey - nielsen - okposo
grabner - nelson - mcdonald
martin- cizikas - boyes
add: JJ & boulton

viz-hamonic
Donovan-UFA (otherwise MacDonald)
Strait- Carkner
add: Hickey, Martinek

Nabby
Poulin

Bridgeport

Theoret - Strome- Nino
Persson - Sundstrom - Ullstrom
Diamond - Aucoin - KK
Gallant - Capuano - Riley (4th line gets few minutes, add toughness)

De Haan - Mayfield
Kichton - Pedan
Ness - Finley
add: Landry & Wishart

Nilsson
Koskinnen

Trade: some combination around Moulson & MacDonald for Ryan. I know

if ryan doesnt work out: keep moulson on 1st line lw and move martin to the 1st line RW (lee takes his spot on the 4th line). Trade moulson next year at deadline. replace UFA on 2nd pairing with MacDonald.
Not bad, one of the better sets I have seen. Couple things...

Moulson and Maconald for Ryan is a Pipe dream, unless we are throwing in multiple 1st round picks.

Boyes should be gone, he isn't resigning to play 4th line/pp time. Good Riddance.

For your Bridgeport lines... Ullstrom, Aucoin and Finley would have to clear waivers to go down to Bridgeport. Not sure Aucoin re-signs for that. Ullstrom wont get exposed to waivers, at least he SHOULDNT.

Serious question, Where is DiPietro? Also not sure Koskinen comes back over to be part of a goalie musical chairs carousel between Bridge and LI, but if he wins the back-up job in camp he could stick.

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Not bad, one of the better sets I have seen. Couple things...

Moulson and Maconald for Ryan is a Pipe dream, unless we are throwing in multiple 1st round picks.

Boyes should be gone, he isn't resigning to play 4th line/pp time. Good Riddance.

For your Bridgeport lines... Ullstrom, Aucoin and Finley would have to clear waivers to go down to Bridgeport. Not sure Aucoin re-signs for that. Ullstrom wont get exposed to waivers, at least he SHOULDNT.

Serious question, Where is DiPietro? Also not sure Koskinen comes back over to be part of a goalie musical chairs carousel between Bridge and LI, but if he wins the back-up job in camp he could stick.
to answer some questions:

1) Dp = buyout
2) Koskinen might come considering how weak poulin and nilsson (sickness) look after this season. He might realise he has a chance to backup in the nhl if he plays well.
3) cant we assign who we want to bridgeport before waivers kick in? (October 1st?)
4) i would give aucoin a 1 way deal, we need good leadership to help the kids in bridgeport. Ullstrom benefits more from playing 2nd line in bridgeport than sitting on the island. He is an incredibly skilled player (moreso than cizikas IMO) who needs to realise his potential. He needs coaching (pellerin) and playing time.
5) To make the ryan trade i would add 2013 first and more from 2014 if necessary. Of course we would have had more expendable assets had we traded streit and boyes...but i am wont get pissed about that anymore.
6) i wouldnt mind having boyes stick around. I would hope that he adds a scoring threat to the 4th line and gets his head well set on his shoulders. When he shows up, he is a serviceable scorer. However, boyes is a low priority and I think JJ could replace him on that 4th line (would also add a R shooter to that line).

additionally: if we dont get ryan i would throw the bank at vanek end of next season. with jt he might work out perfectly (both are good playmakers and excellent finishers down low), he has net front presence. If he doesnt work out with vanek (similar situation to vanek-roy) then he will still work on line 2 (in contrast to moulson). he would be that elusive top 6 right shooter.


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to answer some questions:

1) Dp = buyout
2) Koskinen might come considering how weak poulin and nilsson (sickness) look after this season. He might realise he has a chance to backup in the nhl if he plays well.
3) cant we assign who we want to bridgeport before waivers kick in? (October 1st?)
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Luki - What is the deal with Koskinen? Somehow I keep missing the dirt on his situation.

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Luki - What is the deal with Koskinen? Somehow I keep missing the dirt on his situation.
Nothing credible, but i figure he didnt see a future with the isles. Tbh he didnt have one until this season and the new cba came around. Dp, poulin and nilsson all dont look so threatening to an islander prospect now.

But i actually dont know. Just guesswork.

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6) i wouldnt mind having boyes stick around. I would hope that he adds a scoring threat to the 4th line and gets his head well set on his shoulders. When he shows up, he is a serviceable scorer. However, boyes is a low priority and I think JJ could replace him on that 4th line (would also add a R shooter to that line).
I don't know if that's what you meant, but Jesse Joensuu is a lefty

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Boyes should get resigned because there is no one else that can fill in. I would also trade Moulson as soon as Lee is ready to fill in for him. Lines for a distant future:

Lee - Tavares - Strome

Nieds - Nelson - Kabanov

Ullstrom - Nielsen - Bails/Oky

Martin - Cizikas - McDonald

Edit: ITM I completely forgot about Petrov, Grabner, and Sundstrom


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Boyes should get resigned because there is no one else that can fill in. I would also trade Moulson as soon as Lee is ready to fill in for him. Lines for a distant future:

Lee - Tavares - Strome

Nieds - Nelson - Kabanov

Ullstrom - Nielsen - Bails/Oky

Martin - Cizikas - McDonald

Kabanov has a LONG way to go before we start thinking about him in the line-up over Sundstrom and Petrov, and jettising out Grabner and Bailey or Okposo.

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I don't know if that's what you meant, but Jesse Joensuu is a lefty
Oh well, i mainly know jj from nhl 13. nothing to see here!

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Package Moulson for something better. Love Vanek, but would be leery his game would mesh with JT's. Both guys are most effective when they control the puck. AMac to me is a bottom pairing guy. And is Hamonic hurt?

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Can someone explain to me why everyone keeps putting Lee on the first line? He isn't a first line player and isn't projected to be one. He is a third or 4th liner according to every report I've read about him. Granted I haven't seen him play much, but I'm wondering why so many people are putting him on the first line

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