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03-10-2013, 09:42 PM
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Gagner's size

To me Gag's doesn't look that smallish anymore. He seems to be alot beefier than previous years, 200lbs is pretty good for 2nd line center.

I just don't see a better upgrade out there folks, he seems to be finally coming into his own. The only way i could see moving him, is to the wing and getting a brute of a center via trade (Hemsky)

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03-10-2013, 10:00 PM
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I agree. Honestly I don't think size is at all his issue. If he has a weakness it is just skating. He still is not the best skater, though he has improved. Ideally you want a better skater at C. However, I will still take him. He has had a great year!!

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I think we lost him with the contract we signed him to this year. Unaffordable now.

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It'd be nice if he had any idea how to play hockey in his own end.

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I think its pretty clear we need a bigger replacement for Hemsky, not Gagner

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I think its pretty clear we need a bigger replacement for Hemsky, not Gagner
Or a grittier guy forvHemsky. Gagner has proven he is steadily getter better each year. He changed my opinion with his new man strength and swagger. Keep Gagner, move Hemsky. Fast.

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Gagner is still a work-in-progress. He's 23, his offense has come around. Hopefully he makes improvements on defense and faceoffs.

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I think the writing's on the wall for Hemmer, Just hope we can get a good return. Now's the year to do it or we'll get nothing more than a 2nd rounder.

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The thing with Gagner is that he's playing lights out this year and no one wants to trade him. When he goes into a rut, which all players do, we're going to be pushing him out the door while his value is lowest. Buy low sell high applies to the GM job on occasion as well. If we're trading Gagner we need to do it now.

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I think the writing's on the wall for Hemmer, Just hope we can get a good return. Now's the year to do it or we'll get nothing more than a 2nd rounder.
If/when we trade Hemmer we won't be getting a draft pick in return. We'll be getting an NHL contract back guaranteed.

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I'm a huge Hemsky fan and would rather see him retained than Gagner. That being said, I'm slowly accepting the idea of trading him. If Hemsky goes for a big bodied left winger that can play defense and wreak havoc in front of the net then it doesn't seem so bad to keep Gagner if he stays for relatively cheap. The issue is that Horcoff isn't an elite shutdown centre.
Bolland is a free agent the year after next. But he's also small. He'd need to have two big wingers if we went that way. Ott interests me as well. Wasn't he pretty high on faceoffs? I checked NHL.com

Horcoff would have one year and probably be pretty tradeable if needed because his cap hit is much higher than his actual pay that year.

Ryan Malone would be perfect with Gagner and Yakupov next year. Though Malone's career plus/minus is -45. I don't look too much into stats but that's pretty brutal.


I've mentioned Malone a few times. What do you guys think of free agency for a third line centre? Worth the potential payoff or better to risk the trades?

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Gagner isn't even small. People just have some stupid obsession with size and want a top 6 of Lucic's

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Gagner isn't even small. People just have some stupid obsession with size and want a top 6 of Lucic's
Well said. It is so true.

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Gagner has points in all our 9 wins 5g 8a 13 pts 1 gwg 2 so gwg Imagine where we would be in standings without him this year , and some still wanting to ship him out.

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it might be easier to trade hemmer for a high draft pick and a B+/A- prospect if we take a cap dump roster player back as well which we use our buy out on, or just eat some of hemskys salary.

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it might be easier to trade hemmer for a high draft pick and a B+/A- prospect if we take a cap dump roster player back as well which we use our buy out on.
And this makes sense why?

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salary cap issues of other teams 5 million is alot to swallow

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03-11-2013, 12:27 AM
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Gagner a long with Horcoff is right now the heart of this team. Gagner plays bigger then almost everyone on this team.

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Or a grittier guy forvHemsky. Gagner has proven he is steadily getter better each year. He changed my opinion with his new man strength and swagger. Keep Gagner, move Hemsky. Fast.
Two words. David. Clarkson.

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03-11-2013, 01:20 AM
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And this makes sense why?
We can use Hemsky's salary to pay Gagner in the offseason and maybe sign a depth free agent.

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I would love a guy to take hemmers place with 1/4 if the skill

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We can use Hemsky's salary to pay Gagner in the offseason and maybe sign a depth free agent.
We have one more year with Hemsky. I highly doubt that with whatever Gagner's pay raise will be, the 5 mill cap hit will hinder it for next year.

The OP wanted to trade Hemsky for lesser value, which I don't see any sense behind. It must be a lateral movement for equal readiness in the NHL now.

If the idea was to move Hemsky for B+ prospects and a mid ranged draft pick, we might as well keep him and hope his value raises next year. It's risky, but it would be his contract year and you could see his value go up.

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We have one more year with Hemsky. I highly doubt that with whatever Gagner's pay raise will be, the 5 mill cap hit will hinder it for next year.

The OP wanted to trade Hemsky for lesser value, which I don't see any sense behind. It must be a lateral movement for equal readiness in the NHL now.

If the idea was to move Hemsky for B+ prospects and a mid ranged draft pick, we might as well keep him and hope his value raises next year. It's risky, but it would be his contract year and you could see his value go up.
But then what would we trade him for next year? Probably prospects and picks because that's the nature of team he would be traded to.

By trading him you regain assets, which may be lesser at this point in time, and you open up space for a FA signing, like Horton or Clowe.

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But then what would we trade him for next year? Probably prospects and picks because that's the nature of team he would be traded to.

By trading him you regain assets, which may be lesser at this point in time, and you open up space for a FA signing, like Horton or Clowe.
The idea of signing players like Horton and Clowe still doesn't fly into my mind so easily. Especially with all of the "Edmonton is a dead zone" hub-bub we've all had to live through lately.

If it weren't for all that junk, and the fact that we have a GM sitting on his hands 18 hours a day, still deciding what he should have eaten for lunch yesterday, I'd be open for this idea.

Next year, just by progressive and developmental standards, we should(haha) be a little more competitive. Trading Hemsky away next year when, again, hopefully he'd follow through in his contract year and his value raised, we'd get bodies to help us push onto the next level.

I see the point of draft picks in a salary cap sport, but not when we're trading an asset like Hemsky. Similar value, or bust.


..Seeing as how my avatar and name both have to do with Hemsky, I obviously don't like the idea of getting rid of him.

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I agree. Honestly I don't think size is at all his issue. If he has a weakness it is just skating. He still is not the best skater, though he has improved. Ideally you want a better skater at C. However, I will still take him. He has had a great year!!
If hecan improve his skating and face off skills he could be a first line center. At this point of his career he is our best center well beyond RNH and a very good 2nd line center in most of the teams in the league.

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