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03-11-2013, 02:55 PM
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Bump, again.

Seems like every game we can bump this. In at least the last 3 games not Dubnyk has made a monumental error impacting the game immensely.

So last night its making a decision to go out to win a puck against Patrick Kane

Dubnyk wasn't even close to getting to that puck. What on Earth would cause him to make such a decision and especially at that point in the game.

To put it kindly he doesn't think the game consistently well and will continue to make mistakes like this. This is not the product at this point of age and experience, this is what we have here is a goalie that will get schooled by the best players in the worst moments and give up big goals against.

The Oilers have NEVER EVER ridden any goalie this bad in a playoff series. How they think this is their legitimate starter is beyond me.

Fortunately the Oilers still somehow managed to win the game yesterday but Dubs is hopeless.
I agree completely. Dubs is too unproven to hand the starters role to and the lack of foresight by management to recognize this was just inexcusable.

To me he is no more proven than JDD was when he started the end of his last season here. We will not be a playoff team without better tending.

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03-11-2013, 03:01 PM
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I agree completely. Dubs is too unproven to hand the starters role to and the lack of foresight by management to recognize this was just inexcusable.

To me he is no more proven than JDD was when he started the end of his last season here. We will not be a playoff team without better tending.
The strangest thing about this is that people in this org should realize as much as any what it takes to be a solid Number 1 goalie, they've seen a few. We have a good goaltending history in this org for the most part now being sullied under present management.

Agreed on the JDD part as well. That was so strange, "well, they're both ordinary, but lets flip a coin and stay the course with one of em.."

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03-11-2013, 03:14 PM
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The strangest thing about this is that people in this org should realize as much as any what it takes to be a solid Number 1 goalie, they've seen a few. We have a good goaltending history in this org for the most part now being sullied under present management.

Agreed on the JDD part as well. That was so strange, "well, they're both ordinary, but lets flip a coin and stay the course with one of em.."
It is amazing how we have no MacT or Lowe type players on a squad that has been shaped by them for years (excluding MacT's short absence)

For guys who played on the most skilled and TOUGH teams of their generation with two hall of fame quality goalies, that we have none of this. The former players, in this case, are not good managers.

Why they signed an unproven goalie to that contract was just dumb. I said at the time that he should get a Lindback type deal. In other words, show me first.

Relying on Khabbi knowing his groin was gone and not making a move to shore up the second stringer or 1B spot is inexcusable.

I honestly have completely given up on this organization with it's current managers and coaches. It is all an amateur show at this point.

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03-11-2013, 03:17 PM
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This is like arguing about the color of the carpet when the roof is falling off the house. Dubnyk is just fine.

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03-11-2013, 03:19 PM
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This is like arguing about the color of the carpet when the roof is falling off the house. Dubnyk is just fine.
No one is saying Dubnyk is the only issue with this team. How can you say he is just fine? Any comment on the weak goal a game, tendency to lose focus when the pressure is on, bad decision making...(the list goes on)

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No one is saying Dubnyk is the only issue with this team. How can you say he is just fine? Any comment on the weak goal a game, tendency to lose focus when the pressure is on, bad decision making...(the list goes on)
Way overblown. I think the red carpet is fine thanks.

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This is like arguing about the color of the carpet when the roof is falling off the house. Dubnyk is just fine.
In this case the color of the carpet is mold due to the floorboards and supporting beams rotting to the core and thus why the roof is falling in..

Not saying Dubnyk, just the whole clusterbuck foundation of this org.


I'm trying to be too cute by half anyway, just like our goal scorers..

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In this case the color of the carpet is mold due to the floorboards and supporting beams rotting to the core and thus why the roof is falling in..

Not saying Dubnyk, just the whole clusterbuck foundation of this org.


I'm trying to be too cute by half anyway, just like our goal scorers..
I agree, something is very rotten in Edmonton.

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03-11-2013, 03:25 PM
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Way overblown. I think the red carpet is fine thanks.
So the first goal last night was a solid one?

The play that lead him to get injured was a solid decision?

Reaction to the dump in from centre ice against Nashville was overblown?

Any actual defence of his play ... or just a tenuous analogy and another top five draft pick.

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03-11-2013, 03:26 PM
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There isn't any one problem. There are multiple problems. That the management of this team are too stupid to notice, or they just don't care. We need someone who can fix this mess. Someone who will fix the roof and replace the carpet.


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03-11-2013, 03:29 PM
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There isn't any one problem. There are multi
Exactly. Faced with any bad situation there are two ways to proceed:

1. Pick one of the problems, deal with it and move to the next.
2. Squabble that any problem isn't THE real problem and do nothing.

Seems like Tambo prefers door number 2.

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03-11-2013, 03:32 PM
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So the first goal last night was a solid one?

The play that lead him to get injured was a solid decision?

Reaction to the dump in from centre ice against Nashville was overblown?

Any actual defence of his play ... or just a tenuous analogy and another top five draft pick.
Picking out specific bad plays by goaltenders is an easy game and can be done for anyone. His bad plays get way overblown and the games where he stands on his head and wins it for the team get ignored. Just the way it is around here.

No idea if he is the goalie of the future for the Oilers but the team has to address other things first that are going to cost them assets. To address goaltending first would be really silly.

This isn't a case of "Dubnik is awesome!!!" but rather a case of fixing things that are massive problems for the team first and then re-evaluating.

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03-11-2013, 03:34 PM
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There isn't any one problem. There are multiple problems. That the management of this team are too stupid to notice, or they just don't care. We need someone who can fix this mess. Someone who will fix the roof and replace the carpet.
The problem is limited assets to trade to fix things. You don't spend your only extra cash on new wood flooring when the roof has a hole in it and your flooring will be ruined again soon anyways. That's bad asset management.

The Oilers need to fix the big things first, and then if they have the flexibilty and assets to upgrade the goaltending then it's maybe something to consider, though I would be willing to bet that upgrading the other areas first would actually "fix" the goaltending (non)issues anyways.

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03-11-2013, 03:47 PM
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There isn't any one problem. There are multiple problems. That the management of this team are too stupid to notice, or they just don't care. We need someone who can fix this mess. Someone who will fix the roof and replace the carpet.
You honestly believe that they are too stupid to notice? Come on.

They, like many of the fans, came into the season optimistic about the potential of this team as they aged another year, the performance in the AHL and the addition of Yakupov and Schultz. It clearly hasn't panned out as such and they are left looking at what to do moving forward.

Unfortunately, this isn't NHL 13 or Yahoo Fantasy Hockey, moves rarely happen in the NHL. Do you know how many trades were made after July 1st going into the lockout? Five. How many since the end of lockout? Twenty-five. How many of those included an impact player? Maybe one.

No matter how much hate this board has for the management, they aren't ignoring deals for the sake of pissing off the fan base. You can't just remake your lineup in a day. And especially not in the first part of the season before the trade deadline - like it or not.

As for Dubnyk, the least of our worries. Improve the team in front of him and stop losing the shot battle by 6 shots per game.

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You honestly believe that they are too stupid to notice? Come on.
Horcoff $5.5
Goaltending tandem $7.25

All our issues we have and his big move is Brown.

Not saying I believe it's stupidity, just that its a possibility.

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03-11-2013, 04:00 PM
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No idea if he is the goalie of the future for the Oilers but the team has to address other things first that are going to cost them assets. To address goaltending first would be really silly.

This isn't a case of "Dubnik is awesome!!!" but rather a case of fixing things that are massive problems for the team first and then re-evaluating.
What are the massive problems this team faces that should be dealt with before the bad goals, poor positioning and bad decision making of Dubnyk? How would you deal with them? At what point would you re-evaluate goaltending?

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03-11-2013, 04:05 PM
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What are the massive problems this team faces that should be dealt with before the bad goals, poor positioning and bad decision making of Dubnyk? How would you deal with them? At what point would you re-evaluating goaltending?
Defense alone is going to cost a fortune to fix and needs to be addressed.
Adding offensive size to the top 6.
Upgrading the bottom 6.

Probably can't even do those 3 things and have enough assets to do so without getting lucky in free agency.

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Defense alone is going to cost a fortune to fix and needs to be addressed.
Adding offensive size to the top 6.
Upgrading the bottom 6.

Probably can't even do those 3 things and have enough assets to do so without getting lucky in free agency.
A top defenceman and a good power forward are undoubtedly needed. Upgrading the bottom six before making a move on goaltending? Why?

The Oilers have a chance to make a move in net within the next few weeks. If Khabi plays close to as well after his trip to injured reserve as he did before there will be a taker for him at the trade deadline. Hopefully the Oilers can deal with one of your first two issues and goaltending at that time.

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I don't get the point of *****ing about Dubnyk. He has been decent. The team is suppose to be an offensive powerhouse, that's the vision. It isn't suppose to be built from a hall of fame calibre goaltender and out. What are they suppose to do about the goaltending? You think someone is just going to hand over a top 5 goalie?

Despite his recent struggles he still has a sv% higher than Lu, Schneider, Price, Ward, Fleury, Smith, Quick, Vokoun, Brodeur etc etc... No, he isn't going to win the Vezina this year but that's not what the Oilers organization expects from him.

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