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03-09-2013, 08:20 AM
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Who should the Habs protect in an expansion draft?

Given that the NHL is moving to a system with 4 divisions of 8,8,7,7 teams, we can expect some major expansion soon.

2000 exp draft rules were 1 goalie, 5 dmen, 9 forwards or 2 goalies, 3 dmen, 7 forwards can be saved. I think this only applies to NHL roster players.

I'd save:

Price

Markov, Subban, Gorges, Diaz, Bouillon

plekanec, gionta, bourque, desharnais, pacioretty, galchenyuk, gallagher, eller, prust,

Exposed: Ryder, Moen, Armstrong, Nokelainen, Kaberle, Weber, Budaj... which isn't really fair as a lot of those guys are impending UFA who will be gone anyway.

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03-09-2013, 08:22 AM
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Given that the NHL is moving to a system with 4 divisions of 8,8,7,7 teams, we can expect some major expansion soon.

2000 exp draft rules were 1 goalie, 5 dmen, 9 forwards or 2 goalies, 3 dmen, 7 forwards can be saved. I think this only applies to NHL roster players.

I'd save:

Price

Markov, Subban, Gorges, Diaz, Bouillon

plekanec, gionta, bourque, desharnais, pacioretty, galchenyuk, gallagher, eller, prust,

Exposed: Ryder, Moen, Armstrong, Nokelainen, Kaberle, Weber, Budaj... which isn't really fair as a lot of those guys are impending UFA who will be gone anyway.
Wha?

Whho's getting a team? Did I miss something?

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Wha?

Whho's getting a team? Did I miss something?
This is hypothetical, but likely imo.

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Given that the NHL is moving to a system with 4 divisions of 8,8,7,7 teams, we can expect some major expansion soon.

2000 exp draft rules were 1 goalie, 5 dmen, 9 forwards or 2 goalies, 3 dmen, 7 forwards can be saved. I think this only applies to NHL roster players.

I'd save:

Price

Markov, Subban, Gorges, Diaz, Bouillon

plekanec, gionta, bourque, desharnais, pacioretty, galchenyuk, gallagher, eller, prust,

Exposed: Ryder, Moen, Armstrong, Nokelainen, Kaberle, Weber, Budaj... which isn't really fair as a lot of those guys are impending UFA who will be gone anyway.
I protect Emelin instead of Bouillon.

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Given that the NHL is moving to a system with 4 divisions of 8,8,7,7 teams, we can expect some major expansion soon.

2000 exp draft rules were 1 goalie, 5 dmen, 9 forwards or 2 goalies, 3 dmen, 7 forwards can be saved. I think this only applies to NHL roster players.

I'd save:

Price

Markov, Subban, Gorges, Diaz, Bouillon

plekanec, gionta, bourque, desharnais, pacioretty, galchenyuk, gallagher, eller, prust,

Exposed: Ryder, Moen, Armstrong, Nokelainen, Kaberle, Weber, Budaj... which isn't really fair as a lot of those guys are impending UFA who will be gone anyway.
You forgot about Emelin. Also, why protect Cube?

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You forgot about Emelin. Also, why protect Cube?
Because I forgot Emelin.

I knew something was wrong when listing the dmen ...

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Thankfully the fact we only need to protect 1 goalie allows us to keep more players protected. Outside of the core players, everyone else is expendable IMO.

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I believe first and second year pros are exempt from expansion draft which would make chuckie and gally automatically protected...

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After this summer, swap Gio for Perry

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I would expose moen and hope someone would take his contract

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Also, can we protect ungraduated prospects? Cause Tinordi has to be secured

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Also, can we protect ungraduated prospects? Cause Tinordi has to be secured
Jarred is a first year pro, automatically protected.

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I would expose moen and hope someone would take his contract
Many teams would take Moen's contract.

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Wha?

Whho's getting a team? Did I miss something?
Setting up divisions of 8, 8, 7, and 7 almost implies the structure is being put in place for two additional teams to "round out" those two divisions. When that actually happens isn't as much of a talking point for me as where it might. The Pacific and Midwest divisions are the ones that would need to be filled out, so I wonder if those are the regions that Bettman is targeting for expansion (if Quebec/Hamilton are supposedly front runners for expansion, where would they go in this structure?)

Off topic a bit, but it imo it would have made more sense to keep Detroit in the (Mid-)West to leave room in the East for Hamilton/Quebec.

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Given that the NHL is moving to a system with 4 divisions of 8,8,7,7 teams, we can expect some major expansion soon.
This is a bit of a reach imo. If there were two expansion teams then I doubt they'd both best west of Detroit. In which case there would need to be further realignment anyway, so you can't really read anything into this one.

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Setting up divisions of 8, 8, 7, and 7 almost implies the structure is being put in place for two additional teams to "round out" those two divisions. When that actually happens isn't as much of a talking point for me as where it might. The Pacific and Midwest divisions are the ones that would need to be filled out, so I wonder if those are the regions that Bettman is targeting for expansion (if Quebec/Hamilton are supposedly front runners for expansion, where would they go in this structure?)

Off topic a bit, but it imo it would have made more sense to keep Detroit in the (Mid-)West to leave room in the East for Hamilton/Quebec.
Seattle definitely is targetted by Bettman here. It's very obvious.

Now, the other team is either Hamilton or Québec. I'd personally think Québec is a more likely candidate for many reasons. But as you said, I really don't know how Québec fits in all of this. I was looking at teams which could be in the west and Detroit really seems to be the only team that could go west and they obviously don't want to.

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Seattle definitely is targetted by Bettman here. It's very obvious.

Now, the other team is either Hamilton or Québec. I'd personally think Québec is a more likely candidate for many reasons. But as you said, I really don't know how Québec fits in all of this. I was looking at teams which could be in the west and Detroit really seems to be the only team that could go west and they obviously don't want to.
Columbus maybe?

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This is hypothetical, but likely imo.
Where do you get your tea leaves? Franchise relocation is far more likely than expansion. The NHL still hasn't fully digested its past over-expansion.

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I don't think it's a sure thing that this new structure will be accepted by the owners and the players at all.

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.Seattle definitely is targetted by Bettman here. It's very obvious

Now, the other team is either Hamilton or Québec. I'd personally think Québec is a more likely candidate for many reasons. But as you said, I really don't know how Québec fits in all of this. I was looking at teams which could be in the west and Detroit really seems to be the only team that could go west and they obviously don't want to.
well the new Seattle area hinges on a NHA team coming back...now as of today the Seattle group who are tryin to buy the Sac Kings Nba team, got competition ,a legit offer to keep team in LA(the Pittsburgh Pens owner Ron Burkle and his friends) ...so IMHO Seattle NBA is still a ways off ,Seattle is a ways off from getting a NEW ARENA, and until that happens ,any any chance of NHL hockey IS ZERO.....maybe 10-12 years from now .

likley higher odds Saskatchewan gets a team before Seattle .


Also, instead of expansion,THE CHANCES COULD BE AS HIGH FOR A DISPERSAL DRAFT....
WHO would you like from the PHX COYOTES...LOL

Also no lock Quebec gets a team.....rumblin i read was Bettman and Péladeau not real chummy...that could be a dagger for Quebec.


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You forgot about Emelin. Also, why protect Cube?
'Cause the Nordiques will jump on Bouillon and we don't want that.....

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Seattle definitely is targetted by Bettman here. It's very obvious.

Now, the other team is either Hamilton or Québec. I'd personally think Québec is a more likely candidate for many reasons. But as you said, I really don't know how Québec fits in all of this. I was looking at teams which could be in the west and Detroit really seems to be the only team that could go west and they obviously don't want to.
I think you are right about Seattle, but Quebec won't be an expansion, more likely a transfer from Florida. The next most likely expansion candidate is........... Kansas City! Believe it or not. Then they end up with 4 divisions of 8 with the 2 new teams filling spots in the Mid-west and Pacific divisions. Phoenix is still a potential problem tho... that's why Bettman is so stubborn on keeping then there.

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Given that the NHL is moving to a system with 4 divisions of 8,8,7,7 teams, we can expect some major expansion soon.

2000 exp draft rules were 1 goalie, 5 dmen, 9 forwards or 2 goalies, 3 dmen, 7 forwards can be saved. I think this only applies to NHL roster players.

I'd save:

Price

Markov, Subban, Gorges, Diaz, Bouillon

plekanec, gionta, bourque, desharnais, pacioretty, galchenyuk, gallagher, eller, prust,

Exposed: Ryder, Moen, Armstrong, Nokelainen, Kaberle, Weber, Budaj... which isn't really fair as a lot of those guys are impending UFA who will be gone anyway.
Based on the 2000 expansion draft rules:

One must leave exposed at least one NHL defenceman and two NHL forwards. Impending UFAs don't count unless you already re-signed them.

First and second year pros (and unsigned draft choices) are exempt.

Therefore, the following players would be exempt:
Emelin
Diaz
Galchenyuk
Gallagher
Leblanc
Pateryn
Tinordi
Beaulieu
Ellis
Bournival
Holland
Quailer
Lefebvre
Nattinen
Delmas

So this is who I have left using up protected spots:
Price
Tokarski

Subban
Gorges
Markov


Plekanec
Desharnais
Eller
Pacioretty
Gionta
Bourque
Prust

Exposed:
Kaberle
Weber
Moen
White
all 3rd year and up AHL players

..UFAs :
Budaj (if re-signed, replace Tokarski)
Bouillon
Ryder
Armstrong
Nokelainen


If we do not protect Tokarski, we can protect Weber and St-Denis (if re-signed), Dumont and Avtsin.

You cannot lose more than one defenceman or goalie combined.

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Gotta protect Ryder.

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There's no way the rules would be the same as the last expansion draft because of the cap floor. Last time it wasn't just about who was protected, teams had to expose a number of "veteran" players, next time teams will likely have to expose 1-2 players making a certain amount of money.

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