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View Poll Results: Who do you want?
Seth Jones 162 52.60%
Nathan MacKinnon 17 5.52%
Jonathan Drouin 11 3.57%
Sasha Barkov 43 13.96%
Elias Lindholm 5 1.62%
Sean Monahan 30 9.74%
Valeri Nischushkin 5 1.62%
Darnell Nurse 9 2.92%
Curtis Lazar 23 7.47%
Ryan Pulock 3 0.97%
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03-11-2013, 01:41 PM
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Hard to believe this draft is full of big and skilled centres, and some people are still advocating for Drouin. I know its BPA, but realistically if we end up with that pic we take McKinnon, or trade down.

I see us finishing in the 4-6 range. Assuming the big 4 are gone my preference is
1) Monahan
2) Nurse
3) Lindholm.

Also, there is no centre we could draft this year that would make Gagner expendable this summer. That would be a major step back... one that we can't afford in the perennial rebuild.

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The thing is... If we draft Mackinnon where do we put him? Junior? AHL? NHL?
And if he does make our lineup where would we place him? We would have Gagner, RNH and Horcoff as centers already

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Hmmm, wonder if Barkov speaks Russian? (son of Aleksander Barkov, a former Russian hockey player, and also holds Russian citizenship).

If so, the perfect linemate for Yakupov..

Hall-Barkov-Yakupov
Clowe-RNH-Eberle
MPS-Gagner-Hemsky
That top 9 is too expensive.

You can't afford Clowe as a FA and Gagner resigned if Hemsky is still around.

Take advantage of guys on their ELCs (keep Barkov in Euro for a year) and use cheaper players like Hartikanen instead.

Realistically, a team in the 2014-2015 season:

Paajarvi-Gagner-Yakupov
Hartikanen-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Barkov-Reider (ELC player)

That's three top lines, taking advantage of cheap players on ELCs

Just a thought.

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The thing is... If we draft Mackinnon where do we put him? Junior? AHL? NHL?
And if he does make our lineup where would we place him? We would have Gagner, RNH and Horcoff as centers already
I think whoever we draft should go back to junior or Europe for a year. That way we push back a year of their ELC.

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It's a good question. This season, I'm forcing myself to accept it as a final assessment year. I don't want them to finish last, because I want them to have the experience of winning some games and I want them to feel like they're making progress if only a little. I would like them to get one more high pick though. I imagine they'll finish in the 27- 24 range, and I can deal with that.

My qualifier is that they have to act on what they learn this year. Certain players have to go based on performance this year. They can't be patient with underperformers after this year. Only Smitty, if he doesn't play well all year is a sticky point there because everyone wants him to retire an Oiler. Don't what to do about that.

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03-11-2013, 01:48 PM
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No. As much as I despise Tambellini another top three 18 year old wunderkid doesn't help anything. It certainly won't get him fired. I'd like to see us draft top 8 or 10 and bring that prospect along slowly.

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Only if it means tambo is gone

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Hall-Nuge-Eberle
Clowe-Barkov-Hemsky
PRV-Gagner-Yakupov
Brown-Horcoff-Jones

Any way we can afford that up front?
hahaha no....


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I think we can.


???????

whaaaaaaat!?

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That top 9 is too expensive.

You can't afford Clowe as a FA and Gagner resigned if Hemsky is still around.

Take advantage of guys on their ELCs (keep Barkov in Euro for a year) and use cheaper players like Hartikanen instead.

Realistically, a team in the 2014-2015 season:

Paajarvi-Gagner-Yakupov
Hartikanen-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Barkov-Reider (ELC player)

That's three top lines, taking advantage of cheap players on ELCs

Just a thought.
I like the looks of that a ton. I just kinda wonder how much Barkov benefits from going back, versus playing him like Philly did with Couturier last year. Play him on the third line with say Paajarvi and Jones. Cuz I mean, he's dominating in Finland, kinda wonder what else he could gain from going back.

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The thing is... If we draft Mackinnon where do we put him? Junior? AHL? NHL?
And if he does make our lineup where would we place him? We would have Gagner, RNH and Horcoff as centers already
Let him play on the wing, like other high drafted centres have on good teams. Grigorenko, Seguin and Galchenyuk all started, and are still playing wing.

MPS-Horcoff-Mac OR Jones-Horcoff-Mac.

It would also give us options if (when) a centre gets hurt next year. The kind of depth we severely lacked this year.

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hahaha no....






???????

whaaaaaaat!?
I think we can afford Barkov long-term.Not though with that lineup (obviously).



Shawn Horcoff,Sam Gagner and Ales Hemsky will all have to be moved.

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I like the looks of that a ton. I just kinda wonder how much Barkov benefits from going back, versus playing him like Philly did with Couturier last year. Play him on the third line with say Paajarvi and Jones. Cuz I mean, he's dominating in Finland, kinda wonder what else he could gain from going back.
I'm fine with that too. He can step in easily. It just comes down to money IMO.

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I think we can afford Barkov long-term.Not though with that lineup (obviously).



Shawn Horcoff,Sam Gagner and Ales Hemsky will all have to be moved.
oh sure, but that lineup had those players.

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I think we can afford Barkov long-term.Not though with that lineup (obviously).



Shawn Horcoff,Sam Gagner and Ales Hemsky will all have to be moved.
So deal any player who has been in the league for more than 3 years, and the only 2 with playoff experience so we can promote Reider and a couple more non-gritty rookies into the top 9?

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03-11-2013, 02:22 PM
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I agree, Mackinnon is everything gagner is at a higher speed and skill level, he is an amazing player and like grigorenko last year he has been at or near the top so long that people are trying to pluck holes in his game. there isnt very many imo, Barkov has greta upside but nothing compared to Mackinnon, in my opinion there is a top 3 for this draft then a next 4 and then the typical drop off. if the first 3 picks arent Jones/Mackinnon/Drouin i would be very surprised.
I myself think Barkov has the abillity to be the best forward from this Draft... he's Kopitar in many ways... I loved that lineup with RNH-Barkov-Gagner... no team could match our three scoring lines and Yakupov on third line...

To that lineup... yes finances tough... but we can probably get a good three-year window to try and win it all...

From Sep. 2014:

Hall (5 yrs/$6M)-Nuge (5 yrs/$5M)-Eberle (5 yrs/$6M)
Clowe (2 yrs/$4.5M)-Barkov (2 yrs/$3.775M)-Hemsky (2 yrs/$3.5M)
PRV (2 yrs/$2M)-Gagner (3 yrs/$4.5M)-Yakupov (1 yrs/$3.775M)
Hartikainen (1 yr/$1.1M)-Horcoff (1 yr/$5.5M)-Jones (2 yrs/$1.75M)
Martindale (1 yr/$900K), Pelss (1 yr/568K)

Klefbom (1 yr/$1.275M)-Schultz (6 yrs/$5M)
Smid (3 yrs/$3.5M)-Petry (2 yrs/$2.5M)
Fistric (2 yrs/$2M)-Marincin (1 yr/$870K)
Musil (1 yr/$925K)

Dubnyk (2 yr/$3.75M?)
Bunz (1 yr/$683K)

=$69.2M!

Obviously Musil/Pelss/Martindale could be others... point is cheap extra skaters... but it is doable if Klefa can catch up quickly to top pairing duty and one of Marincin/Musil/maybe Gerant turns out into NHL player quick.

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Can't afford Clowe at 4.5

he isn't worth it.

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I myself think Barkov has the abillity to be the best forward from this Draft... he's Kopitar in many ways... I loved that lineup with RNH-Barkov-Gagner... no team could match our three scoring lines and Yakupov on third line...

To that lineup... yes finances tough... but we can probably get a good three-year window to try and win it all...

From Sep. 2014:

Hall (5 yrs/$6M)-Nuge (5 yrs/$5M)-Eberle (5 yrs/$6M)
Clowe (2 yrs/$4.5M)-Barkov (2 yrs/$3.775M)-Hemsky (2 yrs/$3.5M)
PRV (2 yrs/$2M)-Gagner (3 yrs/$4.5M)-Yakupov (1 yrs/$3.775M)
Hartikainen (1 yr/$1.1M)-Horcoff (1 yr/$5.5M)-Jones (2 yrs/$1.75M)
Martindale (1 yr/$900K), Pelss (1 yr/568K)


Klefbom (1 yr/$1.275M)-Schultz (6 yrs/$5M)
Smid (3 yrs/$3.5M)-Petry (2 yrs/$2.5M)
Fistric (2 yrs/$2M)-Marincin (1 yr/$870K)
Musil (1 yr/$925K)

Dubnyk (2 yr/$3.75M?)
Bunz (1 yr/$683K)

=$69.2M!

Obviously Musil/Pelss/Martindale could be others... point is cheap extra skaters... but it is doable if Klefa can catch up quickly to top pairing duty and one of Marincin/Musil/maybe Gerant turns out into NHL player quick.
I'd give PRV $1.3 max 3 years.
Mike Brown in place of Jones. Cheaper and better as a 4th liner.
Ewanyk for Horc. A lot cheaper and fresher legs. I know, I am high on Ewanyk. Use Horc $$$ for a top 6 player or a top 4 dman

edit: Just realized PRV cap hit is $1.5 lol


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I'd give PRV $1.3 max 3 years.
Mike Brown in place of Jones. Cheaper and better as a 4th liner.
Ewanyk for Horc. A lot cheaper and fresher legs. I know, I am high on Ewanyk. Use Horc $$$ for a top 6 player or a top 4 dman

edit: Just realized PRV cap hit is $1.5 lol
Ewanyk is a ways away, he can't step in next year.

Reality is we're probably going to have Horcoff until his contract runs out.

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It's a good question. This season, I'm forcing myself to accept it as a final assessment year. I don't want them to finish last, because I want them to have the experience of winning some games and I want them to feel like they're making progress if only a little. I would like them to get one more high pick though. I imagine they'll finish in the 27- 24 range, and I can deal with that.

My qualifier is that they have to act on what they learn this year. Certain players have to go based on performance this year. They can't be patient with underperformers after this year. Only Smitty, if he doesn't play well all year is a sticky point there because everyone wants him to retire an Oiler. Don't what to do about that.
no offense, but it's people like you that allow the Oilers management to suck year after year.
the past three years, the oilers have been 30th, 30th and 29th. You're saying that you accept this year as an final ASSESMENT year? haven't the past 6 years, including being last for three of them given you enough "assessment"?
this was supposed to be a year with a big step forward in DEVELOPMENT and RESULTS. but it's ok to assess them, fight for last again, and enjoy one more year of a high draft pick.

your qualifier should have been enacted two years ago, not going forward for next year.

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So deal any player who has been in the league for more than 3 years, and the only 2 with playoff experience so we can promote Reider and a couple more non-gritty rookies into the top 9?
Bring in Barkov,trade Sam Gagner,Ales Hemsky and buy-out Shawn Horcoff and Ryan Smyth.Then you go into free agency and sign cheaper veterans .

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oh sure, but that lineup had those players.
It was a mistake on my part to quote the lineup.

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Bring in Barkov,trade Sam Gagner,Ales Hemsky and buy-out Shawn Horcoff and Ryan Smyth.Then you go into free agency and sign cheaper veterans .
So you want to get rid of Horcoff and Gagner? You have to keep one of them imo. If Barkov was to make the team I would give him sheltered minutes on the third line

Hall/RNH/Eberle
PRV/Gagner/Big body
Big body/Barkov/Yakupov

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I voted for Barkov because I can't see us finishing in the top 3. This is my preference based on BPA.

Jones>Drouin>MacKinnon>Barkov

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We'll be able to afford to lock up the core if Tambo/GM is smart about depth signings.

Chicago's core is Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa, Seabrook and Keith. All of them make over $5,275,000 a year. The Oilers core also will have 6 players, Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, Yakupov, J. Schultz and whoever we draft this year. No one will be making over 6M a year because that's the limit we set when we signed our top 2 players last season. We'll be able to afford to keep our core locked up but it's important that we keep everyone under that at a reasonable price. No big signings like Campbell or Huet, which hurt Chicago badly when they couldn't afford Ladd, Byfuglien and Versteeg.

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If you say we shouldn't draft Drouin because we already have small, skilled forwards on this team... Sorry. If you can draft a guy with this high of potential I'll trade Eberle or Yak anyday. Those guys would bring back unbelievable depth pieces, top prospects and picks. I wouldn't pigeonhole myself at all into doing that. In fact, you could probably trade Eberle for a McDonagh or Brodin type player plus more, a d-man that is more advanced than Jones at the present time anyways. It's all hypothetical but just because you perceive Drouin as fitting into the archetype of what already exists here wouldn't stop me for a second from taking the player with the absolute highest potential.

The draft is about VALUE and management is about asset management, not a mix and match puzzle to plug into your team. These kids are 17 and 18, long ways off from being reliable NHL players for the most part - even top 3 picks.

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