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Comparable salaries to Getzlaf if players were UFA

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03-10-2013, 12:54 AM
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Comparable salaries to Getzlaf if players were UFA

For those who think the Getzlaf contract is an overpayment, what do you think the comparable players would sign for if they were UFA next year. These guys are all from the 2003 and later drafts

They would all get an 8 year deal from the current team and would be in the $8 mil range, at least. In a few years, it will probably be more.

Toews -
Kopitar
Mike Richards
Jeff Carter
Crosby
Malkin
E. Stahl
T Vanek
Parise
Ovechkin
Giroux

to name a few.

this is going to be the norm going forward for the top players.

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For those who think the Getzlaf contract is an overpayment, what do you think the comparable players would sign for if they were UFA next year. These guys are all from the 2003-2006 drafts

They would all get an 8 year deal from the current team and would be in the $8 mil range, at least. In a few years, it will probably be more.

Toews -
Kopitar
Mike Richards
Jeff Carter
Crosby
Malkin
E. Stahl
T Vanek
Parise
Ovechkin
Giroux

to name a few.

this is going to be the norm going forward for the top players.
All in bold are no.

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I could definitely see the majority of that list making 8+ million per year. The bar has been set by Getzlaf, other teams #1 centers will make equal to or more then him, barring a hometown discount situation.

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All in bold are no.
Do you think Staal will take a paycut then?

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you have to remember that 5 years ago when the cap was 56M jason spezza and dany heatley got 7M and 7.5M respectively. Getzlaf at 8.2 under a 64M cap isnt crazy, it's normal inflation.

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All in bold are no.
Toews would definitely get at least as much as Getzlaf, open market.

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All in bold are no.
How can you bold toews and staal but not parise?

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They'd all be making 8+. Add 4 dummy years to the end of Getzlaf's contract and the cap hit is <$6M.

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How can you bold toews and staal but not parise?
You mean Stahl? (sry couldn't resist)

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For those who think the Getzlaf contract is an overpayment, what do you think the comparable players would sign for if they were UFA next year. These guys are all from the 2003 and later drafts

They would all get an 8 year deal from the current team and would be in the $8 mil range, at least. In a few years, it will probably be more.

Toews -
Kopitar
Mike Richards
Jeff Carter
Crosby
Malkin
E. Stahl
T Vanek
Parise
Ovechkin
Giroux

to name a few.

this is going to be the norm going forward for the top players.
There's no way Richards, Carter, or Vanek pull that kind of money. Nor should they. Hell, Vanek might not get as much as he's making right now.

If Carter puts up another 40 goal season or two, then we'll be talking.

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Toews would definitely get at least as much as Getzlaf, open market.
As would Staal and possibly Kopitar.

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People have this false belief that it's overpayment because of the ridiculous back diving contracts all the stars have received lately.

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People have this false belief that it's overpayment because of the ridiculous back diving contracts all the stars have received lately.
To expand on this Parise's first 8 years leaves a cap hit of 10 million ignoring the absurd signing bonuses.

Richard's first 6 years (before it back dives) leaves a 9.5 million cap hit.

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What bothers me more than a top line center making that kinda money, is the Holik's of the world using Getzlaf/whoever as a stat comparable to ask for that kinda money.

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What bothers me more than a top line center making that kinda money, is the Holik's of the world using Getzlaf/whoever as a stat comparable to ask for that kinda money.
Which "Holiks" of the league can match Getzlaf's statistics...?

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The 8 year contract limit is going to affect how caphits play out.

Most of the 12+ year deals we see are really 8year deals + extra years to bring the caphit down. Here's a spreadsheet I threw together showing how some of these back-diving contracts would play out with the years after 8 removed.


How do we think contracts are going to look going forwards? How does a player like Weber (just for an example) get a massive payday if the deal is limited to 8-years? Are we going to start seeing 8 year deals with extremely high salaries in the first few? Should be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few years.
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Which "Holiks" of the league can match Getzlaf's statistics...?
Not many, but I bet Colorado is glad Getzlaf signed after O'Rielly.

The Holik comment wasn't meant to say players exactly like that, rather just the escalation of salaries in negotiations and such.

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Not many, but I bet Colorado is glad Getzlaf signed after O'Rielly.

The Holik comment wasn't meant to say players exactly like that, rather just the escalation of salaries in negotiations and such.
He is not even close to the same league as Getzlaf. 1 of them has 1 55 point season and the other has 5 PPG seasons.

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For those who think the Getzlaf contract is an overpayment, what do you think the comparable players would sign for if they were UFA next year. These guys are all from the 2003 and later drafts

They would all get an 8 year deal from the current team and would be in the $8 mil range, at least. In a few years, it will probably be more.

Toews -
Kopitar
Mike Richards
Jeff Carter
Crosby
Malkin
E. Stahl
T Vanek
Parise
Ovechkin
Giroux

to name a few.

this is going to be the norm going forward for the top players.


Yes I agree with you on this. Getzlaff is being paid alot but thats what it takes going forward. New Salary cap restrictions is going to start causing teams to be more
conservative but not necessarily with retaining star players.
Whats Chicago to do next season with Hossa and their guys?

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All in bold are no.
Eric Staal already holds an $8.25 million cap hit...

Agreed that Carter, Richards and Vanek all would not hit the $8 million mark.

Toews would get $8+ million on the open market. Kopitar would be very close.

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People have this false belief that it's overpayment because of the ridiculous back diving contracts all the stars have received lately.
True. The cap circumvention has kind of devalued contracts in some ways. Add three years at 1 mil to the end of this deal and it seems a lot more reasonable.

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So if the cap hit is going to go up on all the first line players, who will suffer? Bridging contracts? 2nd line players?

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So if the cap hit is going to go up on all the first line players, who will suffer? Bridging contracts? 2nd line players?
There might not be any large group suffering. The cap hits going up on those players may well just result in them spreading more evenly around the league. The reduced gap between salary and cap hit makes these guys more attainable for smaller markets, as well.

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You mean Stahl? (sry couldn't resist)
I think it may depend on the type of movies he makes, and how many in a year... and if he has kicked that drug habit he had going.

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So if the cap hit is going to go up on all the first line players, who will suffer? Bridging contracts? 2nd line players?
This is a good point in my opinion.

We will increasingly see Star salaries and Entry Level salaries . Middling contracts and 2nd liners will become less common.

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