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03-16-2013, 08:03 PM
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The Pittsburgh Bankers select Assistant Coach, Billy Reay

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03-16-2013, 08:16 PM
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The Pittsburgh Bankers select Assistant Coach, Billy Reay
Great that he is picked but unfortunately just an assistant. (He was the last of our four options as head coach we'd targetted, but we went with one of our other options.)

Maybe a team without a head coach (Seattle, Philly) could trade for him?


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03-16-2013, 09:38 PM
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Philadelphia selects coach Pete Muldoon



4x PCHA Champion(1917-18, 1919-20, 1921-22, 1923-24)
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Muldoon was also the third best hockey coach of the 1920s, surpassed only by Green and Lester Patrick. Furthermore he and xxx were the two most successful coaches in the 14-year history of the Pacific Coast Hockey Association—and were the only PCHA coaches ever to win the Stanley Cup.

Muldoon’s teams were unlike those of xxx and Lester Patrick. xxx won primarily with offense; Lester, with defense and goal-tending. Muldoon’s teams were the most consistently well-balanced in the PCHA.

Not only were his teams well-balanced but they were as pugnacious as he was (Muldoon was a professional boxer before he took up coaching). Although the record is incomplete we do have team penalty minute stats for the PCHA from 1921-24 and in the last two seasons of the league’s existence the Metropolitans led the league in penalty minutes.
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03-16-2013, 09:58 PM
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I'm on my phone so ill keep this short. Cinncy selects Sami Pahlsson.

We feel as though sami is absolutely a ATD pk'er. I will get into it later but I feel he is comparable to Erixon who has been looked upon now as a high end pk'er and defensive player

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03-16-2013, 10:10 PM
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OMG!!! I haven't laughed so hard in weeks!! Thanks Billyshoe! Where in hell did you get that pic?

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OMG!!! I haven't laughed so hard in weeks!! Thanks Billyshoe! Where in hell did you get that pic?
Just a normal Google image search for Pete Muldoon. He was a sort of ice dancer that could do tricks on skates and held shows doing tricks while skating on stilts.

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I'm on my phone so ill keep this short. Cinncy selects Sami Pahlsson.

We feel as though sami is absolutely a ATD pk'er. I will get into it later but I feel he is comparable to Erixon who has been looked upon now as a high end pk'er and defensive player
Yep, the only reason I think I'd take Erixon ahead is because he's a winger and they're more rare than good defensive centers, but that's a good comparison I think.

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03-16-2013, 11:05 PM
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I'll pick Hall of Famer Clint Smith, C/LW

If I wasn't drunk, i'd probably try to compare his offense to Llyn Patrick's. Seems a natural comparison both members of the 1940s rangers, both played both C and LW though Clint more C and Llyn more LW. Clint Smith has a better offensive resume on paper, but 2 of his big years were work years that Patrick missed, so I'm not sure who's better.

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03-16-2013, 11:46 PM
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I'll pick Hall of Famer Clint Smith, C/LW .
seventieslord identifies that WWII-era performer as the next-best offensive talent.

Discounting the war years of reduced competition, he's an extra skater in an all-time great context. Certainly, worthy of this draft, especially as a non-starter.



Thank you WWII (got out of having to do war service due to medical discharge):

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03-17-2013, 12:48 AM
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I'm on my phone so ill keep this short. Cinncy selects Sami Pahlsson.

We feel as though sami is absolutely a ATD pk'er. I will get into it later but I feel he is comparable to Erixon who has been looked upon now as a high end pk'er and defensive player
he really should have won the selke in '07, and could have won the smythe.

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he really should have won the selke in '07, and could have won the smythe.
I was very surprised when I started to research him to see the amount of praise he recived for that Regular Season as well as Stanley Cup Win for the Ducks. HE was second on the team for forwards for minutes played in those playoffs (behind Getzlaf) and was mentioned in several articles saying he could have won the Smythe as you mentioned.

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I was very surprised when I started to research him to see the amount of praise he recived for that Regular Season as well as Stanley Cup Win for the Ducks. HE was second on the team for forwards for minutes played in those playoffs (behind Getzlaf) and was mentioned in several articles saying he could have won the Smythe as you mentioned.
anaheim fans here used to call pahlsson god (apparently started in '03) and have a shared avatar of pahlsson that said "god!"

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...99&postcount=6
top picture in that post was a very common avatar among anaheim fans.


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http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=382644


before '07 he was one of the most underrated players in the NHL, imo. comparable to peca in defensive play, imo, and very physical.


pahlsson almost certainly lost some support b/c of his +/- (usually a minus player). but he was a weak offensive player, checked top F's and may have had the most defensive role of any F in the NHL.

NHL needs to separate + and -.

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03-17-2013, 03:01 AM
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I'm a little unsure about Pahlsson on the PK, nik, which is embarassing as he was a Pacific division player, and I should know, but I miss these details sometimes. How much of a penalty-killing load did he carry for the Ducks before his Selke season? I mean...he got no Selke votes, literally zero, before that season, so I have a bit of difficulty believing that he was really comparable to Peca. I saw plenty of Ducks games when Pahlsson was younger, and I don't remember thinking that he was anything more than a "good 3rd liner" before that Cup season.

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03-17-2013, 03:24 AM
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I'm a little unsure about Pahlsson on the PK, nik, which is embarassing as he was a Pacific division player, and I should know, but I miss these details sometimes. How much of a penalty-killing load did he carry for the Ducks before his Selke season? I mean...he got no Selke votes, literally zero, before that season, so I have a bit of difficulty believing that he was really comparable to Peca. I saw plenty of Ducks games when Pahlsson was younger, and I don't remember thinking that he was anything more than a "good 3rd liner" before that Cup season.
i don't want to give the impression that pahlsson was at peca's level for an extended period. i was referring to his peak.

i don't remember pahlsson as being as good after '07.

selke voting is generally not very good, but it's very surprising to me that pahlsson got 0 selke votes before '07.



based on SHTOI/game...

'02: 2nd among anaheim's F's
'03: 6th, but played only 34 games
'04: 1st among F's
'06: 1st, including d-men
'07: 1st, including d-men
'08: 1st, including d-men
'09: 1st, including d-men ---- (anaheim and chicago)
'10: 1st among F's ---------- (CBJ)
'11: 1st among F's
'12: 1st or 2nd among F's ---- (CBJ and vancouver)


it would also be good to look at some advanced stats.

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03-17-2013, 03:36 AM
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selke voting is generally not very good, but it's very surprising to me that pahlsson got 0 selke votes before '07.
Yeah, I know it's bad. The standards have changed a couple of times (and in Pahlsson's era it favored two-way forwards, so that probably worked against him a bit), it tends to be brutal on small-market players (what writer has the time to notice little things like defensive forward play on the 2003-04 Ducks?) and it is really kind of all over the place, in general. But I would expect a forward who was performing at an elite level defensively to at least get a couple of token Selke votes from local writers.

Ah, I dunno..."deep" Selke voting records are probably the single most useless piece of modern data.

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03-17-2013, 04:51 AM
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Ah, I dunno..."deep" Selke voting records are probably the single most useless piece of modern data.
Selke finalist has obvious value, and maybe 4th and 5th place if voting didn't drop off much, or if a guy has multiple top-5 years. Beyond that, yeah, I have never cited it, nor consider it.

Just like top-20 finishes (11th-20th) in the Original Six era and before that, really is insignificant. How one finishes on a team is more an indicator than leaguewide stats at that point.

Lies, dang lies and stats. It's easy to be misled by the (in)significance of numbers. Everything in its proper place. What that place is, is of course not a formula, hence essentially contestable, open to argument.

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The Chicago Shamrocks are proud to celebrate St Patrick's Day by selecting Asst. Coach Frank Patrick.

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Damn, we wanted Clint Smith.

Halifax will settle for Corb Denneny, F, as our first spare.

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The Ottawa Senators select C Neal Broten




Broten was a productive two-way centre over a long career. He won a gold medal at the 1980 Olympics in 1980 and he was a number one centre on a winner in 1995. During his career he scored 289 goals, 623 assists, and 923 points, played in two all star games, became the first American-born player to score 100 points in a season, and killed 37% of his teams penalties.

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The Ottawa Senators select C Neal Broten




Broten was a productive two-way centre over a long career. He won a gold medal at the 1980 Olympics in 1980 and he was a number one centre on a winner in 1995. During his career he scored 289 goals, 623 assists, and 923 points, played in two all star games, became the first American-born player to score 100 points in a season, and killed 37% of his teams penalties.
The 1980 olympics was in 1980?

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Damn, we wanted Clint Smith.

Halifax will settle for Corb Denneny, F, as our first spare.
You "settled" for the better player in my opinion.

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Yeah, I know it's bad. The standards have changed a couple of times (and in Pahlsson's era it favored two-way forwards, so that probably worked against him a bit), it tends to be brutal on small-market players (what writer has the time to notice little things like defensive forward play on the 2003-04 Ducks?) and it is really kind of all over the place, in general. But I would expect a forward who was performing at an elite level defensively to at least get a couple of token Selke votes from local writers.

Ah, I dunno..."deep" Selke voting records are probably the single most useless piece of modern data.
See yeah...I think the "ranking" of Selke votes is probably useless, however I do think it would be nice to see Pahlsson have gotten some lower rung votes instead of getting just zero.

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Can anyone take a list for me? I'm out until the mid-afternoon at least....

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Can anyone take a list for me? I'm out until the mid-afternoon at least....
Might be a good idea we got some crazy time differentials me and my neighbours in the draft. Not counting, or maybe so, i have been awake for 24 hours. I'm somewhat ready to pick though.

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