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An average of 4 years for the Draft?

View Poll Results: Would you accept this stategy by the NHL
YES 19 48.72%
NO 7 17.95%
There is better option 5 12.82%
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04-02-2005, 07:48 PM
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An average of 4 years for the Draft?

I'm not sure if this has already been done but anyway if yes, just tell me and I'll delete.

I know they talk about doing for the last 5 years but Columbus and Minny were only in for the last 4.

Anyway, here is what it would look like:

1-Columbus(would hate to see Crosby go there tough but Crosby to Nash... )
2-Florida
3-Atlanta(Imagine if they grab Johnson )
4-Pitsburgh
5-New-York Ran.
6-Carolina
7-Nashville
8-Anaheim
9-Minnesota
10-Chicago
11-Calgary
12-Montreal
13-Phoneix
14-Buffalo
15-Washington
16-New-York Ils.
17-Tampa Bay
18-Los Angeles
19-Edmonton
20-San Jose
21-Vancouver
22-Boston
23-Dallas
24-St-Louis
25-Toronto
26-Philadelphia
27-New-Jersey
28-Colorado
29-Ottawa
30-Detroit

Outside of a couple of exeption(like TB) it looks pretty OK.

My question: As a fan would you accept this?

**If you answer n3, please give your idea.

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04-02-2005, 08:26 PM
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nope, to me the best idea would be 1/30 chances for every team

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04-02-2005, 08:56 PM
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There are some better options but this looks pretty nice. I like the one option were everybody has the same chances of getting the first pick.

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Johnson with Bouwmeester!

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It's not a good idea because the team that were low in standings for the 4 last years already picked some great prospects.

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04-02-2005, 10:46 PM
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nope, to me the best idea would be 1/30 chances for every team
Nope, because then a contender like Colorado or Detroit etc.. could get their hands on him, the NHL don't need to help these teams, they do good enough on their own.

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04-02-2005, 10:50 PM
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I'd prefer seeing Crosby in Columbus than in Washington

We would pick 12... not bad...

But still, I really don't like this idea. I keep thinking that no season = no draft and postpone the draft to next year or bring the age of elligibility to 19 instead of 18.

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04-02-2005, 11:06 PM
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I'd prefer seeing Crosby in Columbus than in Washington

We would pick 12... not bad...

But still, I really don't like this idea. I keep thinking that no season = no draft and postpone the draft to next year or bring the age of elligibility to 19 instead of 18.

I'm thinking they have a draft this summer, can't see them raising the age, although I'd be all for it no doubt. IMO the NHL needs Crosby to be drafted this summer, they know the hype surrounding him and how well he sells tickets. I also think they need Crosby to go to a team that needs help selling tickets. Don't know what teams that would be, Ducks, Hawks, ?

But I also say this cause I'm a huge draft fan and would suck big time not to look forward to the draft this summer. I could see them going with a 3 year average, which would put us around 14th. that could get us a good defensemen or PF hopefully.

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04-03-2005, 01:55 AM
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I like the idea of picking 12th overall. But I also don't think there will be a draft until hockey resumes. Which may not be next year?

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04-03-2005, 08:10 AM
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i think i would prefer see a 30 team lotery and if you are first to pick in the 1st round then your last in the 2nd round then first in the 3rd etc...

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If he's not a Hab, I want him out of conference. I dont care where but make sure its not in the East.

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04-03-2005, 10:17 AM
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si l'ordre serat sa e draft pourrait etre

1-Columbus crosby nash-crosby-zherdev
2-Florida Jack Johnson bouwmesster-Jack Johnson
3-Atlanta Gilbert Brule kovalchuck-brule-heatley
4-Pitsburgh Bobby Ryan malone-malkin-ryan
5-New-York Ran. Beniot Pouliot
6-Carolina Guillaume Latendresse
7-Nashville Marek Zagrapan
8-Anaheim Tuukka Rask
9-Minnesota Ryan O'Marra
10-Chicago alex bourret
11-Calgary anze kopitar
12-Montreal Marc Staal
13-Phoneix Jack Skille
14-Buffalo Ryan Parent
15-Washington Nicklas Bergfors
16-New-York Ils.Jakub Kindl
17-Tampa Bay Devin Setoguchi
18-Los Angeles Carey Price
19-Edmonton Kendall McCardle
20-San Jose Teemu Laakso
21-Vancouver uc bourdon
22-Boston Matt Lashoff
23-Dallas Ryan Stoa
24-St-Louis Daniel Bertram
25-Toronto Andrew Cogliano
26-Philadelphia Risto Korhonen
27-New-Jersey Jean-Philippe Levasseur
28-Colorado Chris Durrand
29-Ottawa Slava Trukhno
30-Detroit Brian Lee


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04-03-2005, 10:33 AM
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i think i would prefer see a 30 team lotery and if you are first to pick in the 1st round then your last in the 2nd round then first in the 3rd etc...
Snake drafts are horrible for a professional sport.

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04-03-2005, 10:40 AM
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[QUOTE=montreal] I also think they need Crosby to go to a team that needs help selling tickets. Don't know what teams that would be, Ducks, Hawks, ?
[QUOTE]

I think they need Crosby in NY or LA (more likely NY). I have this sick feeling that we will see another Patrick Ewing-esque fix of the lottery. What helps that cause for the NHL is that the Rangers actually had the sixth pick in the 2004 draft. To get them from 6th to 1st is not that much of a stretch ...

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04-03-2005, 11:07 AM
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I said "YES", since I think they absolutely have to do something like this to get the most-fair draft possible.

However, there are a few "better option" twists to put on top of it...

1) Some form of weighted lottery similar to the normal one to allow the order to switch up a little bit at the top end. No team moving up more than 5 spots, etc. And HYPE the heck out of the lottery itself, with plenty of Crosby promo, for PR purposes.

2) Add "playoff points" to determine the draft order too. 20 pts for making the playoffs, 20 for winning each round, 20 more for the Stanley Cup. For each season considered. That might help fix some things like TB.

3) *IF* there is a CBA resolution that doesn't involve a hard cap by that time, find some way of basing a team's draft position also partly on it's payroll. Teams won't know their payroll yet, of course, but they can "bid" in self-imposed salary caps, and the lower they set their team cap, the more credit they get in their draft order.

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I'm not sure about this.

But an easy way to cut a problem (anomaly like Tampa Bay in the middle of the pack) could be:

The last 4 winners of the stanley cup have by default the last 4 spots. 27.28.29.30. Than, to separate those 4, it's the same system. Would bring Tampa Bay in the 27th spot which is already a better situation for them than they would normally get.

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I'm not sure about this.

But an easy way to cut a problem (anomaly like Tampa Bay in the middle of the pack) could be:

The last 4 winners of the stanley cup have by default the last 4 spots. 27.28.29.30. Than, to separate those 4, it's the same system. Would bring Tampa Bay in the 27th spot which is already a better situation for them than they would normally get.
Good idea. (Just putting in a points system for playoff rounds achieved over the past 4 years just drops TB to 20th in my system, which isn't necessarily far enough).

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si l'ordre serat sa e draft pourrait etre

1-Columbus crosby nash-crosby-zherdev
2-Florida Jack Johnson bouwmesster-Jack Johnson
3-Atlanta Gilbert Brule kovalchuck-brule-heatley
4-Pitsburgh Bobby Ryan malone-malkin-ryan
5-New-York Ran. Beniot Pouliot
6-Carolina Guillaume Latendresse
7-Nashville Marek Zagrapan
8-Anaheim Tuukka Rask
9-Minnesota Ryan O'Marra
10-Chicago Anze Kopitar
11-Calgary Jack Skille
12-Montreal Marc Staal
13-Phoneix Nicklas Bergfors
14-Buffalo Ryan Parent
15-Washington Jakub Kindl
16-New-York Ils.Teemu Laakso
17-Tampa Bay Devin Setoguchi
18-Los Angeles Carey Price
19-Edmonton Kendall McCardle
20-San Jose Luc Bourdon
21-Vancouver Matt Lashoff
22-Boston Brian Lee
23-Dallas Ryan Stoa
24-St-Louis Daniel Bertram
25-Toronto Andrew Cogliano
26-Philadelphia Risto Korhonen
27-New-Jersey Jean-Philippe Levasseur
28-Colorado Chris Durrand
29-Ottawa Slava Trukhno
30-Detroit T.J. Hensick
You forgot Alex Bourret who will likely go top 10. If he's there at 12 Montreal picks him for sure - they are supposedly very high on him - Savard has been reported to be scouting him all winter

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ah ok yes i forgot him , excuse me

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I think basing it off last year's draft is reasonable, but re-configuring the odds so that anyone can end up anywhere. For example, Pittsburgh (who had the highest shot at 1st last year) still has the best chance at grabbing Crosby (let's say 1 in 3 or 1 in 4), but even Tampa Bay has a theoretical shot (let's just say 1 in 500 for now, someone else can figure out what the odds should be). Go 1-30 from there, and you don't automatically get the pick below your standing. This satisfies both the people that pick later and the people that pick at the beginning, since they still have the best shot, but teams that might not have done as well during the cancelled season still can move up.

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I've been getting into this with some guys at work and some people seem to forget the draft's purpouse. The idea of having the worst teams get the higher picks is to help them get better.

This is why you don't throw 30 balls in a lottery and pick one to decide Crosby's future. He's a generational talent and one of the most marketable players to have come along in a few years, why on earth should a team like Detroit, Colorado, Toronto or Tampa Bay have a shot at him? They have all done well the last four years (with the exception of Tampa because they only really peaked last season). Giving them a chance at Crosby undermines everything the draft stands for and is highly unfair in my opinion.

I read in the Ottawa Citizen last weekend that the last four year's standings would have Montreal at 14 and Tampa at 13 (tied for points with Montreal having won more games). And Montreal should draft Ryan Parent with their first.

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I think they'll have a lottery for all the picks based on last year's standings. Something like you get as many chances as your rankings (ie: Tampa Bay gets 1 chance while Pittsburgh gets 30 chances) and from there you just go random.

This way, Tamba Bay has 1/465 chances (0.2%) of getting the first pick, while pittsburhgh has 30/465 chances (6.4%) of getting that pick.

I think this would be the fairest since you never know what this year's standings would have looked like. We've seen Stanley Cup winners miss the playoffs the year after.

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I don't know what the NHL will do, but I'm positive it won't be 1/30...with every team having an equal chance at the first pick. I think there are a lot of options, but this one looks okay if more recent years were given more weight...like how they rank golfers. It would be a point system.

example: Montreal

2004 - 18 x 1 = 18
2003 - 10 x 0.75 = 7.5
2002 - 15 x 0.5 = 7.5
2001 - 13 x 0.25 = 3.25

TOTAL = 36.25

Order the teams based on the scores. I think this would be a fair way of doing it. A team that finished last place 4 years ago shouldn't get the same chance at the first pick as a team that finished last in 2004, but they probably still need help. The numbers (0.75, 0.5, 0.25) would likely have to be manipulated, but I think this is the right idea.

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si l'ordre serat sa e draft pourrait etre

1-Columbus crosby nash-crosby-zherdev
2-Florida Jack Johnson bouwmesster-Jack Johnson
3-Atlanta Gilbert Brule kovalchuck-brule-heatley
...
12-Montreal Marc Staal
...
Je serais parfaitement satisfait avec ce choix, d'après ce que j'en sais sur ce joueur.

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If Sidney Crosby doesn't end up in Montreal I would like him most in Chicago. Its an original 6 team in the league's 3rd biggest market and they've fallen on tough times lately due to horrible ownership. They also have a great logo and if he could lead them to The Stanley Cup than the Leafs would have the longest run without a cup.

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