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Better future: Habs or Oilers?

View Poll Results: Which team has a better future?
Oilers 130 39.51%
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03-11-2013, 07:46 PM
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Oilers have the "sexier" names but Habs are the better team by far.
Habitants (Canadiens) vs. Oilers... I much prefer the first - name and as a team.

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03-11-2013, 07:48 PM
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no its really not

Eberle > Pacioretty

Hall > Gallagher
RNH > Galchenyuk


Forwards - Oilers
Defence - Habs
Goaltending - Habs AINEC

Habs got alot more going for them but when it comes to who they have upfront, the Oilers are a pretty easy choice.
Keep thinking that if it makes you feel better... lol

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03-11-2013, 07:53 PM
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Habs.

Oilers management seems completely incompetent and either does not know how to or is unable to fill the team's glaring holes. The owner is either indifferent or is unwilling to shakeup management.

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03-11-2013, 07:57 PM
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Habs for now.

Edmonton looks like a hot mess right now.

It's hard to see the future there presently. I'd like to see the Oilers do well too.

It is kind of funny to hear all the whining here on Edmonton sports radio and in the papers though.

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03-11-2013, 08:11 PM
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Surrounding high skill players with garbage is a great way to ruin them. Habs while having lower draft picks will get more from their prospects because they're being developed properly and allowed to grow while the oiler prospects are forced into the front lines on a terrible team.

Also the oilers drafting is absolute ****, outside of the 1st round it is a total mess. I don't know how long stu mcgregor has been running things but he needs to be fired along with everyone else running that joke. Edmonton is a hockey town and deserves more than the **** they are being fed by the "boys on the bus".

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03-11-2013, 08:20 PM
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Keep thinking that if it makes you feel better... lol
Let me know when Pacioretty becomes an All-Star, and 75+ point player.

I've seen alot of your posts and your homerism is embarrassing.

Obviously this season its alot closer but that not saying much considering the entire Oilers team sucks on offense since Ralph Krueger took over.

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03-11-2013, 08:22 PM
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Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher = Hall - Nugent-Hopkins - Eberle
Nope.

Pacioretty is on the same level as Hall, Nuge and Eberle at this point. Galchenyuk has the potential. I don't see Gallagher ever being on their level.

In this area, Edmonton wins at the bare minimum 2-1 at this point. Galchenyuk should continue to improve and give Hopkins/Hall a challenge.

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03-11-2013, 08:37 PM
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Let me know when Pacioretty becomes an All-Star, and 75+ point player.

I've seen alot of your posts and your homerism is embarrassing.

Obviously this season its alot closer but that not saying much considering the entire Oilers team sucks on offense since Ralph Krueger took over.
Wow... When did Eberle become a 75 pts player? Pacioretty's production is just as good as Eberle's.

Maybe you should take the homer glasses off.

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03-11-2013, 08:48 PM
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Wow... When did Eberle become a 75 pts player? Pacioretty's production is just as good as Eberle's.

Maybe you should take the homer glasses off.
Eberle had 76 pts last year so I guess technically he never became a 75 pts player.

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03-11-2013, 08:57 PM
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Eberle had 76 pts last year so I guess technically he never became a 75 pts player.
Eberle is on a 59 pts pace while Patches is on a 78 pts one. So I guess Max is a 75 pts player as well.

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03-11-2013, 09:18 PM
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Wow... When did Eberle become a 75 pts player? Pacioretty's production is just as good as Eberle's.

Maybe you should take the homer glasses off.
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Eberle is on a 59 pts pace while Patches is on a 78 pts one. So I guess Max is a 75 pts player as well.
Maybe you need to learn that actual production over the full duration of an 82 game season is more indicative of production than a projected point total halfway through a lockout shortened season.

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03-11-2013, 09:34 PM
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Maybe you need to learn that actual production over the full duration of an 82 game season is more indicative of production than a projected point total halfway through a lockout shortened season.
you only say that because eberle and nugent-hopkins have been pathetic this year. who's to say this isn't more indicative of their actual skill level than last year?

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03-11-2013, 09:44 PM
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Maybe you need to learn that actual production over the full duration of an 82 game season is more indicative of production than a projected point total halfway through a lockout shortened season.
Ok, let's take a look at the last 3 seasons for an even bigger sample

Pacioretty: 110 pts in 134 games... 0.4 goals/game, 0.8 PPG
Eberle: 137 pts in 172 games... 0.34 goals/game, 0.8 PPG

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Pacioretty: 194 hits.... 1.45 hits/game--- 59 blocked shots... 0.44 bls/game
Eberle: 90 hits... 0.52 hits/game--- 47 blocked shots... 0.27 bls/game

Like I said, similar production but slight advantage to Max because of the physical aspect of his game. I believe he's the more complete player as well.

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03-11-2013, 10:06 PM
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Ok, let's take a look at the last 3 seasons for an even bigger sample

Pacioretty: 110 pts in 134 games... 0.4 goals/game, 0.8 PPG
Eberle: 137 pts in 172 games... 0.34 goals/game, 0.8 PPG

however...

Pacioretty: 194 hits.... 1.45 hits/game--- 59 blocked shots... 0.44 bls/game
Eberle: 90 hits... 0.52 hits/game--- 47 blocked shots... 0.27 bls/game

Like I said, similar production but slight advantage to Max because of the physical aspect of his game. I believe he's the more complete player as well.
You forgot to note an important fact, age. MaxPac is over a year older than Eberle. An extra season for Eberle will bring him over the top easily.

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03-11-2013, 10:09 PM
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Next year will be different once the Oilers fill their team with better veterans.
Ok........Click your heels together three times and say "There's no place like home' and you'll be there".

You make this sound easy?? Who exactly are the Oilers going to hire to pull this off? 30 teams in the NHL are trying to do this every year with DEMAND > Supply

I like the Oilers elite young talent but I have no faith in their Managment to surround them with the supporting cast.

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Ok........Click your heels together three times and say "There's no place like home' and you'll be there".

You make this sound easy?? Who exactly are the Oilers going to hire to pull this off? 30 teams in the NHL are trying to do this every year with DEMAND > Supply

I like the Oilers elite young talent but I have no faith in their Managment to surround them with the supporting cast.
It's getting there. Slowly but surely. Didn't the Oilers/Hawks game show anyone anything? Get Oilers some Eastern games and we will match well. Styles make matches.

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Probably the Habs.

They have a young 1D and young elite goalie already. Galchenyuk isnt very far behind RNH at all really.

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It's getting there. Slowly but surely. Didn't the Oilers/Hawks game show anyone anything? Get Oilers some Eastern games and we will match well. Styles make matches.
I think we missed connecting on this one canovin? I was responding to your comment about "once the Oilers fill their team with better veterans" and you appear to be discussing your current roster no?

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03-11-2013, 10:38 PM
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Ok, let's take a look at the last 3 seasons for an even bigger sample

Pacioretty: 110 pts in 134 games... 0.4 goals/game, 0.8 PPG
Eberle: 137 pts in 172 games... 0.34 goals/game, 0.8 PPG

however...

Pacioretty: 194 hits.... 1.45 hits/game--- 59 blocked shots... 0.44 bls/game
Eberle: 90 hits... 0.52 hits/game--- 47 blocked shots... 0.27 bls/game

Like I said, similar production but slight advantage to Max because of the physical aspect of his game. I believe he's the more complete player as well.
you forgot to mention Eberle has more points than Pacioretty over his career in far less games... nice job nitpicking stats.

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I think we missed connecting on this one canovin? I was responding to your comment about "once the Oilers fill their team with better veterans" and you appear to be discussing your current roster no?
I respond by bringing in veterans and grit slowly.

A 3rd for Fistric and a 4th for Mike Brown. They've been great acquisition so far. Are the Oilers done trading and filling in holes? No.

Plus, what we've seen this year from the Oilers are the players playing great last year are in a slump and the ones in the slump last year are showing signs of improvement. eg. Gagner, Hemsky, PRV and even Horcoff. Once Hall, RNH and Eberle catches fire and Yakupov and J. Schultz step it up a notch. Watch out!!

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you forgot to mention Eberle has more points than Pacioretty over his career in far less games... nice job nitpicking stats.
So now the last 3 years is nitpicking stats?
Pacioretty wasn't a regular before that and Eberle wasn't in the NHL.

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You forgot to note an important fact, age. MaxPac is over a year older than Eberle. An extra season for Eberle will bring him over the top easily.
Yea, sure especially considering Patches production has steadily increased in the last 3 years while Eberle is up and down.

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Edmonton has a long way to go to be as good as the Habs are this year and have been in most recent years. As others have said Montreal's talent is far more balanced as well as their best players being in or very close to being in their prime.

I don't see any good argument that could be made for Edmonton beyond "at some point all those 1st overall picks have to pay off, right? right!?"

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Hence the term "would have" .
Come on man, you've been outed as not being a hockey fan. Just admit to it already.

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Eberle is on a 59 pts pace while Patches is on a 78 pts one. So I guess Max is a 75 pts player as well.
I like Max way more than Eberle but you can't really deny Eberle scored 75. It's not like this is opinion, its stats.

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