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03-15-2013, 06:54 AM
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No love for Brodin in the Calder discussion?

Im not saying he´s the frontrunner for the Calder, but it seems like everyone is shortselling the kid. Playing top-end minutes and being extremely defensively sound.
Sometimes it feels like almost every trophy is way too much focused on points.

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03-15-2013, 06:58 AM
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Hard for D men to get the calder since voters care more about points

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03-15-2013, 06:59 AM
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He would have to put up significantly more points to get Calder votes. He's been very impressive, playing big minutes and not making many mistakes but that's not what the Calder is about.

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03-15-2013, 07:05 AM
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I know, that´s how it usually goes, but im getting annoyed with the offense-hysteria in this league.
The Calder is awarded "to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition in the National Hockey League." I can´t see many other rookies having the same impact on their teams as Brodin has.

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03-15-2013, 07:25 AM
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A lot of people like to pretend they care about actual defensive play when they talk about Norris, but they really don't, they just care about certain players.

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03-15-2013, 07:26 AM
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Think it might have something to do with his D-partner being so good?

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03-15-2013, 07:30 AM
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I know, that´s how it usually goes, but im getting annoyed with the offense-hysteria in this league.
The Calder is awarded "to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition in the National Hockey League." I can´t see many other rookies having the same impact on their teams as Brodin has.
One day you'll come to accept that the regular season trophies as voted by the hockey writers are pretty much crap. Several guys are completely valid choices for each award in any given year and they simplify a complex season by picking one guy out of a bunch who are really on the same tier. It's cool for the players to get recognition and some bonus cash, but whomever wins the Calder or Selke or Hart or whatever really doesn't matter.

Honestly, other than the Stanley Cup and community service recognition, the only one I can kinda care about is the Conn Smythe, and even then, there are usually a few guys who could easily deserve it.

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03-15-2013, 07:42 AM
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One day you'll come to accept that the regular season trophies as voted by the hockey writers are pretty much crap. Several guys are completely valid choices for each award in any given year and they simplify a complex season by picking one guy out of a bunch who are really on the same tier. It's cool for the players to get recognition and some bonus cash, but whomever wins the Calder or Selke or Hart or whatever really doesn't matter.

Honestly, other than the Stanley Cup and community service recognition, the only one I can kinda care about is the Conn Smythe, and even then, there are usually a few guys who could easily deserve it.
Im really not that bothered by who gets whatever award, its more about the discrepancy between the appreciation of a player who is defensively gifted vs one who is offensively gifted. As i said, im not saying Brodin should win the Calder, its just that the discussions about the Calder is a good indicator of how people perceive talent and skill.

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Think it might have something to do with his D-partner being so good?
Not even close.

Brodin played the same style in the AHL as well. He's simply unreal.

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Im really not that bothered by who gets whatever award, its more about the discrepancy between the appreciation of a player who is defensively gifted vs one who is offensively gifted. As i said, im not saying Brodin should win the Calder, its just that the discussions about the Calder is a good indicator of how people perceive talent and skill.
My point is that the trophy discussions, by default, are not a particularly good indicator. They are naturally divisive by creating four artificial categories: won the trophy, was a finalist for the trophy, got a small number of votes, didn't get any votes - and most people really just focus on two categories: won and everyone else.
And notice how everyone here recognizes that you need to score to be in consideration for the trophy. That doesn't mean a defensive player goes unappreciated, it just means he's not part of the trophy discussion.

It would be cool if there were a better trophy system (I'd love to see trophies as voted by the coaches), but if you distance yourself from all trophy discussions, this issue fades in favor of more measured discussion.

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03-15-2013, 07:59 AM
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Think it might have something to do with his D-partner being so good?
Quite the opposite. When he was out at the beginning of the season, Suter was struggling. Now he's a Norris candidate with Brodin next to him.

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I sincerely hope he gets acknowledgement for the Calder because the kid's unreal. However, I don't expect him to win.

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He is beyond unreal. He is so fun to watch. Honestly, you don't even have to be a Wild and/or Swedish fan to enjoy what he does. He's just incredible.

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Has a defensive minded defenceman won the Calder since Barret Jackman won it over Zetterberg?

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Im not saying he´s the frontrunner for the Calder, but it seems like everyone is shortselling the kid. Playing top-end minutes and being extremely defensively sound.
Sometimes it feels like almost every trophy is way too much focused on points.
Definitely is.
When was the last time the Calder winner wasnt the highest scoring forward/defenseman?

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Has a defensive minded defenceman won the Calder since Barret Jackman won it over Zetterberg?
Nope. The most recent defenseman to win was Tyler Myers in 09-10 with a 48 point rookie season.

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Has a defensive minded defenceman won the Calder since Barret Jackman won it over Zetterberg?
Jackman was a +23 though, Brodin is currently a minus although that is clearly not indicative of his play.

I agree that Brodin deserves to be in the conversation, but he won't be there because of meh stats, it's a shame but that's how these things go.

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03-15-2013, 09:32 AM
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He'd need to go on some sort of a point streak, something like 12 in his next 15 games, to jump up into the conversation. Not something I'd expect, but I wouldn't be surprised either.

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His stats aren't impressive enough, unfortunately.

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Jackman was a +23 though, Brodin is currently a minus although that is clearly not indicative of his play.

I agree that Brodin deserves to be in the conversation, but he won't be there because of meh stats, it's a shame but that's how these things go.
He's actually even or a +1 I think but your definitely right about all of this.

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As valuable as he is to the Wild, being a Western Conference defenseman who doesn't put up many points is going to hurt his chances pretty significantly.

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I compare Brodin's first year to Ryan O'Reilly's in the sense that he's a young kid coming in and concentrating on the defensive part of the game, working to ensure he's got it down pat and is completely comfortable with the NHL game. Like O'Reilly, I expect he'll add a more offensive element to his game as soon as that level of comfort has been achieved. The kid's been a defensive stud, looking like a 10-year vet already, so I expect we'll see the offensive side of his game blossom next year, or even as this year starts to wind down.

He scored his first goal after all. Open the floodgates.

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03-15-2013, 12:11 PM
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Well last year they named the calder to the more defensive forward than the forward with the most offensive skill (PPG wise). Both were west conference players, so if he keeps up his great defensive game I think he will get noticed and be in the discussion especially when he is paired with Suter.

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I was disappointed with us picking him at first... But now I love it. I'm thrilled.

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I'd be surprised if Brodin even gets any votes.

Shattenkirk had 43 points as a rookie playing second pairing minutes, and his name wasn't anywhere the discussions.

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