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Will a Team Score 375+ Goals in a Season Again?

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03-15-2013, 01:42 AM
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Annoying. The rules are in the books but there not being applied, teams, players called. Start smacking them with Deliberate Delay of Game. 2 minutes for cycling around in the corners endlessly, impotently. Worse still, premature ejaculation, guy releasing thinking he's Tommy, Pinball Wizard, the puck sent flying "somewhere near the crease" at a buck six, ricocheting around like its on acid. Puckchenko. Perhaps its a generational thing, these boys now men named by Hippy Dippy parents who liked taking the long way home. Naming their kids Jarome Arthur-Leigh Tig Junior Elvis Iginla n' whatnot. And he's one of the more old school types of players. Pretty direct, heads for the slot. But heh, takes 37 seconds to state your full name, guess your gonna take your time about everything else. Accomplishing little in the corners. Like watching a completely inebriated juiced to the gills Clark Kent trying to get out of his street clothes in a phone booth in the middle of the afternoon. Dragging the puck the full length of the ice in your skates, your face waffle ironed along the glass. Thats a whole lot of a fun way to play. Real treat to watch.
This is hilarious. I spend hours and hours reading this section to learn about the history of the sport. Sometimes the numbers and such can get mind numbing and quite honestly I fall asleep a lot reading about them. Haha but your post are always colorful and nice addition to the experience of learning. I don't mean to interrupt the discussion, just saying hi as long term lurker.

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03-15-2013, 07:38 AM
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I'm trying to decipher what you are getting at but more players retire every year now than in 83 for 2 reasons.

1) there are 30 teams and more players

2) there are more injuires and guys simply end their careers for health reasons.

Did you know that 1/7th of the NHL players pool is injured right now?
Do the ratios, per team, of players leaving the NHL -112 from 21 teams in 1983 vs 225 from 30 teams in 2012. Higher attrition rate today. You would need a 42 team NHL to match the 1983 ratio.

If you look at the names, most were short term NHL players. You are the one claiming they retired.I just stated they disappeared from the NHL. Most are in the minors, Europe or looking for NHL jobs. In other words not good enough or priced themselves out of the NHL job market.

Injuries. 1/7 equals 3-4 players per team. How many players per team have played every game? Hint Montreal has 9. Point is that once injuries are filtered out you are still left with 4-5 skater slots per team that are simply roster filler types that are an offensive drag.

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03-15-2013, 08:05 AM
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Do the ratios, per team, of players leaving the NHL -112 from 21 teams in 1983 vs 225 from 30 teams in 2012. Higher attrition rate today. You would need a 42 team NHL to match the 1983 ratio.

If you look at the names, most were short term NHL players. You are the one claiming they retired.I just stated they disappeared from the NHL. Most are in the minors, Europe or looking for NHL jobs. In other words not good enough or priced themselves out of the NHL job market.

Injuries. 1/7 equals 3-4 players per team. How many players per team have played every game? Hint Montreal has 9. Point is that once injuries are filtered out you are still left with 4-5 skater slots per team that are simply roster filler types that are an offensive drag.
so part of your increase in the numbers of players leaving is probably covered by alot of guys getting in a couple games here and there every year, instead of actual full time players right?

this has gotten sidetracked, it's pretty obvious you can't see the talent right in front of you if you watch NHL games.

The reasons for why goal scoring is down and why 375 is virtually improbable but lack of actual talent isn't one of them.

There seems to be a double standard here as well regarding the sticky. It's okay to call todays players robots with no talent but we have to praise the old timers and watch our words when comparing them.

I understand the need for the sticky but at least let's make it an even playing field shall we?

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so part of your increase in the numbers of players leaving is probably covered by alot of guys getting in a couple games here and there every year, instead of actual full time players right?

this has gotten sidetracked, it's pretty obvious you can't see the talent right in front of you if you watch NHL games.

The reasons for why goal scoring is down and why 375 is virtually improbable but lack of actual talent isn't one of them.

There seems to be a double standard here as well regarding the sticky. It's okay to call todays players robots with no talent but we have to praise the old timers and watch our words when comparing them.

I understand the need for the sticky but at least let's make it an even playing field shall we?
Again, it is a matter of how talent has shifted.

Teams believe now that they benefit more from having a different kind of personnel. More conformity, more defensive ability, etc. Player salaries and financial issues also complicate matters.

So players who may be more talented in a traditional sense get phased out for palyers who are less flashy but are better for winning.

Look at a player like Alexander Semin. A fantastic talent, excellent offensive skills, and one you could win with in certain systems. Aside from xenophobia he'd fit well on many teams in the 70s and 80s. He'd be a top-10 player, at least offensively.

But today, he gets torn down. His attitude is questioned, every little mistake he makes because he is a creative player, and creative players make mistakes, take him down a peg. He's so gifted offensively but is constantly criticized because he isn't a defensive stalwart. Because he isn't a grinder his work ethic gets called into question, etc.

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I agree but the NHL has known about the equipment problem for a while and still not much has been done.

Something about "safety".

Look hockey only had forward passing and no red line and that is more drastic than a small change in the size of the net don't you think?

The point is that the landscape is vastly different and much harder to score goals today.
Those were the early stages of the game before forward passing. There wasn't the traditions set in stone so much at that time. It is almost as if they were feeling the game out at that level. We have all the resources we need today and there are just some nonsensical parts of the goalie's equipment that aren't needed. We can see very clearly that the best goalies in the game would still be the best ones in the game with the smaller equipment. Look at Brodeur. He has never had oversized equipment, he's had small pads and has sort of a hybrid style unlike the butterfly and he is an all-time great. Garth Snow needed to look like the Michelin Man or else he'd be pumping gas for a living. It isn't difficult to make the padding smaller without making it more dangerous.

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This is hilarious. I spend hours and hours reading this section to learn about the history of the sport. Sometimes the numbers and such can get mind numbing and quite honestly I fall asleep a lot reading about them. Haha but your post are always colorful and nice addition to the experience of learning. I don't mean to interrupt the discussion, just saying hi as long term lurker.
.... well hi backatcha, and thankyou for the kind words. Plenty of humour on these threads, material to work with, really nothing all that brilliant about it, like falling off a log.

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Garth Snow needed to look like the Michelin Man or else he'd be pumping gas for a living. It isn't difficult to make the padding smaller without making it more dangerous.
Oh c'mon now. Pumping gas? Somehow I dont think you mean that in a real nice n' friendly respectful way. Y'know, like Murray Westgate? Nifty cap, starched shirt, clip on bow tie, immaculate uniform. A real gentleman who you wouldnt even have to ask to clean your windshield. Voluntarily pop's the hood on your 63 Rambler American, checking the oil, washer fluid, battry' terminals, fan belt. Refuses a 2 bit tip when he's only makin 35 cents an hour....

no, Im guessin your imagining Snow pumpin leaded & ethanol in a filthy wifebeater t-shirt, Lucky Strike dangling from his lower lip on that lonely strip of highway in New Mexico that leads to the old Trinity Nuclear Test Site. Garth there a semi-societally functional member of the horribly disfigured radiation poisoned clans roaming the hills who refused to leave in 1945. Taking out unsuspecting tourists in their Winnebago's. Ive seen the Documentary as well Phil. The Hills Have Eyes. You'll have to do better than that. See, it wasnt the guys equipment under his jersey puffing him out like that, just his natural physiological state. Mutant.


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