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Buffalo - Edmonton (Hypothetical Draft Scenario)

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03-11-2013, 08:11 PM
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Buffalo - Edmonton (Hypothetical Draft Scenario)

Assuming Buffalo continues to suck and lucks out in the lottery to get the 1st Overall pick, and Edmonton gets the 2nd or 3rd pick.

To Buffalo:

- 2nd or 3rd Overall Pick


To Edmonton:

- Tyler Myers
- Mikhail Grigorenko


- Buffalo Drafts Seth Jones 1st Overall and Nathan MacKinnon 2nd or 3rd Overall

Would Oiler Fans do this?

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03-11-2013, 08:15 PM
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Assuming Buffalo continues to suck and lucks out in the lottery to get the 1st Overall pick, and Edmonton gets the 2nd or 3rd pick.

To Buffalo:

- 2nd or 3rd Overall Pick


To Edmonton:

- Tyler Myers
- Mikhail Grigorenko


- Buffalo Drafts Seth Jones 1st Overall and Nathan MacKinnon 2nd or 3rd Overall

Would Oiler Fans do this?
If myers is able to regain his play this is a deal I take however if not I'd rather have Jones as our 1D or Mackinnon as 2C. Lets hope we don't have to talk about that.

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Youd have to think they would consider it, I know Grigorenko is a step down from Barkov/Myers step down from Jones, but to get two good assets would intrigue them

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I can't see Buffalo going anywhere near this; I certainly hope they don't because I wouldn't take Jones that high.

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Guessing you are a Buffalo fan and you are trying to take advantage of Oiler fans who have not seen Myers play this year.

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Oilers do this even if they have 1st overall Imo Grigorenko is the big C they have coveted Oilers also brought him in for draft interview as possible 1st overall selection., Scouting staff were high on this kid, Myers struggling still would be a key piece on their defence. Tambo would hope this was offered.

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03-11-2013, 09:16 PM
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If I'm Buffalo, I'd rather have Mackinnon+Myers+Grigorenko than Mackinnon+Jones.
The difference between Jones and Myers is not Grigorenko.

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03-11-2013, 09:23 PM
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If I'm Buffalo, I'd rather have Mackinnon+Myers+Grigorenko than Mackinnon+Jones.
The difference between Jones and Myers is not Grigorenko.
The reasoning is that if they draft Mackinnon+Jones then Myers+Grigorenko are expendable. I DON'T want to trade either of those guys, but I think we would have a balanced team going forward.

Look at how our forward crop could look going forward...

Vanek - Mackinnon - Pomminvile
Ennis - Hodgson - Armia
Ott - Girgensons - Foligno

With Seth Jones, Erhoff, Sekera, Pysyk, McNabb on D.

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I know Myers has been struggling this season, but unless he looks like he'll never return to form, I don't think EDM is giving up enough. I would make that deal as an Oil fan. Just sayin'...

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Youd have to think they would consider it, I know Grigorenko is a step down from Barkov/Myers step down from Jones, but to get two good assets would intrigue them
In relative potential, Grigorenko isn't a huge step down. Hell, it might be even in terms of potential.

People seem to think whatever is newer is better.

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If Myers wasn't struggling, sure. But he's paid so much and not achieving what he should, so I think I'll pass.

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Have to give op props very interesting proposal.

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03-11-2013, 09:32 PM
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I think both organizations need a culture change. How about a big trade like this?

To Buffalo:
2013 1st Round Draft Pick
Ales Hemsky
Eric Belanger
Oscar Klefbom
Devan Dubnyk

To Edmonton:
Drew Stafford
Tyler Myers
Luke Adam
Ryan Miller

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The proposal is interesting and the Oilers are high on Grigorenko, he was in our top 5 for last years draft. Bottom-line is we are too young as it is and this would only make it worse, I don't think we're the right place for Myers to re-discover his game we need to stabilize our defense with more vets not another young kid. If it went through we'd have 3 defensemen on the right side who are all pretty green around the ears and Klefbom is likely only one full season in the AHL at the most from being ready for a fulltime job on the big club as well.

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I think both organizations need a culture change. How about a big trade like this?

To Buffalo:
2013 1st Round Draft Pick
Ales Hemsky
Eric Belanger
Oscar Klefbom
Devan Dubnyk

To Edmonton:
Drew Stafford
Tyler Myers
Luke Adam
Ryan Miller
Haha. No way Buf does this

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03-11-2013, 10:06 PM
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tempting and ridiculously risky.

when i moused over i thought it was just myers, to which i would say no easily, grigs makes it very interesting though.


i'd be a lot more comfortable taking on myers playing poorly if he didnt already have a massive contract, risking losing the trade is one thing, risking getting stuck with that is quite another.

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I wouldn't deal Grigorenko, and I think Edmonton (because of the assets they have) might be one of a handful of teams I'd be willing to field offers from for Myers (although I'm more inclined to keep him, he's still so young in the grand scheme of things, let him play thru his growing pains).

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The proposal is interesting and the Oilers are high on Grigorenko, he was in our top 5 for last years draft. Bottom-line is we are too young as it is and this would only make it worse, I don't think we're the right place for Myers to re-discover his game we need to stabilize our defense with more vets not another young kid. If it went through we'd have 3 defensemen on the right side who are all pretty green around the ears and Klefbom is likely only one full season in the AHL at the most from being ready for a fulltime job on the big club as well.
i dont see how this part is remotely correct.

you are trading a pick (18 YO) for a 19 YO and 22YO.


might not be the best option for us, but its not the 'wrong' direction age wise, just maybe not as good as could be.

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Interesting for sure, but I can't see Buffalo doing it. I think they'd at least want some kind of young D back, if not more.


As an Oiler fan I think there's some risk too. If Myers pulls a Redden and never rebounds, its a disaster for the organization. But..

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If I'm Buffalo, I'd rather have Mackinnon+Myers+Grigorenko than Mackinnon+Jones.
The difference between Jones and Myers is not Grigorenko.
This 100%. There are so many similarities between Jones and Myers stylistically that it's pretty scary. The team would be better off hoping Grigerenko and Myers develop as members of the young core while adding MacKinnon to that core than just adding Jones.

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Both Grigs and Myers are overrated. I'd much rather have Seth Jones.

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Both Grigs and Myers are overrated. I'd much rather have Seth Jones.
I would say the same thing about Jones. I'd rather take the chances on two young guys over one especially since the Sabres have their own first round pick to take MacKinnon / Drouin with.

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It is a very interesting offer. The only problem with EDM's dmen is that we need a top 2 dman to play with Schultz and I don't see Myers as being that guy. I would be more interested in Foligno.

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The reasoning is that if they draft Mackinnon+Jones then Myers+Grigorenko are expendable. I DON'T want to trade either of those guys, but I think we would have a balanced team going forward.

Look at how our forward crop could look going forward...

Vanek - Mackinnon - Pomminvile
Ennis - Hodgson - Armia
Ott - Girgensons - Foligno

With Seth Jones, Erhoff, Sekera, Pysyk, McNabb on D.
Only on HF...
Buffalo isn't going to make that trade. Grigorenko was their #1 target at the last draft, and I doubt there's anything he can do in the course of a year to make them want to give up on him. There's also absolutely no guarantee Jones even ends up a good as Myers, let alone better. At the end of the day, I'd rather have 3 great prospects/young players than two. Odds of eventually getting a great NHL player out of that is better.

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Interesting for sure, but I can't see Buffalo doing it. I think they'd at least want some kind of young D back, if not more.


As an Oiler fan I think there's some risk too. If Myers pulls a Redden and never rebounds, its a disaster for the organization. But..

J Schultz-N Schultz
Smid- Petry
Fistric-Myers
Klefbom
Why is Myers on the bottom pairing?

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