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03-12-2013, 03:19 AM
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Tim connoly
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Michalek

Why: coyotes get some center depth as Connolly can still play in the NHL. They also get holzer, a big body D similar to Michalek and is playing 1st pairing minutes plus a second in a deep draft. Maple leafs get Michalek who would be a great partner for phanuef and is better suited to play top pairing minutes than holzer.

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03-12-2013, 03:31 AM
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Tim connoly
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2nd

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Michalek

Why: coyotes get some center depth as Connolly can still play in the NHL. They also get holzer, a big body D similar to Michalek and is playing 1st pairing minutes plus a second in a deep draft. Maple leafs get Michalek who would be a great partner for phanuef and is better suited to play top pairing minutes than holzer.
No thanks, don't much care for Connolly and Holzer would just block other guys making the jump to the NHL. Really the only players on the leafs I'm interested in are MacArthur, Kulemin, Grabovski, and Komarov but I can't think of a package that both teams would accept involving those players.

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Phoenix will not trade a first pairing d for spare parts

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Tim connoly
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2nd

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Michalek

Why: coyotes get some center depth as Connolly can still play in the NHL. They also get holzer, a big body D similar to Michalek and is playing 1st pairing minutes plus a second in a deep draft. Maple leafs get Michalek who would be a great partner for phanuef and is better suited to play top pairing minutes than holzer.
So you want a top pairing Dman for a 2nd, a guy in Holzer that hasn't even played 30 NHL games yet, and a guy who is currently a UFA (not even a pending one) in Connolly (he was waived by the Leafs, any team could have had him for free, and no one claimed him).

Terrible proposal.

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03-12-2013, 07:09 AM
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Had to double check and make sure there was only one Michalek on the Coyotes. Not a good deal at all.

Two AHLers and a 2nd for a top pairing defensemen. Yeah just not a good one.

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Had to double check and make sure there was only one Michalek on the Coyotes. Not a good deal at all.

Two AHLers and a 2nd for a top pairing defensemen. Yeah just not a good one.
I see no AHLers or top pairing defencemen in this proposal.

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I see no AHLers or top pairing defencemen in this proposal.
Well Tim Connolly is currently playing in the AHL and is therefore an AHLer in the most obvious sense of the term, so you might want to consider an eye exam.

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What would Phoenix want in return for Derek Morris? I think that would be a more reasonable target for this type of package. Maybe instead of the 2 nd Toronto return the Lombardi pick.

Holzer
Connolly (maybe salary retained)
Phx 3rd/4th (prev acquired)

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Morris

Although Toronto has 8 d on the team and Gardiner waiting. More players would have to be traded/waived to make this work.

D Morris is a R shot and could be paired with Phaneuf under Carlyles system, this would finally give him a vet to play with without selling the farm.

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Wasn't Connolly on waivers?

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03-12-2013, 08:03 AM
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Well Tim Connolly is currently playing in the AHL and is therefore an AHLer in the most obvious sense of the term, so you might want to consider an eye exam.
Use your brain and consider the context next time. He's in the minors because he does not suit Carlyle's style.

Liles has been scratched in favour of shut down defencemen. Does that make him an 8th defenceman now?

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Use your brain and consider the context next time. He's in the minors because he does not suit Carlyle's style.

Liles has been scratched in favour of shut down defencemen. Does that make him an 8th defenceman now?
That does not change the fact that the proposal is horrible. And Holzer is not far above AHL level and Connolly is down there right now.

Two pieces the Leafs could not care less for or actively want to get rid of + a 2nd does not equal a good defenseman like Michalek...

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So..Michalek is a top pairing D but when Luke Schenn was playing good he was still a scrub?

Ok, got it.

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Wasn't Connolly on waivers?
Who would want him for ~4.75? He was signed for 2 years to give Kadri more time to develop...now that he's made the jump and our coach doesn't like soft players like Connolly he's in the minors.

If Connolly does get traded, Leafs probably take some of his salary like the Lombardi trade.

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Connelly won't fit into Tippett's system and at his salary probably no interest from Phoenix's perspective.

Morris and Michalek have been very good this year. Michalek is one of the league's best shot blocking d men. Very unheralded. Prior to his signing in Pittsburgh he was arguably Phoenix's best d man. Now that he's back he's fit in very well as their number 3. Doubt Phoenix would move Michalek considering how well he plays in this system.

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That does not change the fact that the proposal is horrible. And Holzer is not far above AHL level and Connolly is down there right now.

Two pieces the Leafs could not care less for or actively want to get rid of + a 2nd does not equal a good defenseman like Michalek...
I didn't say it was a good deal, but lets not throw around unfitting terms for the sake of making it look worse than it is.

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Well Tim Connolly is currently playing in the AHL and is therefore an AHLer in the most obvious sense of the term, so you might want to consider an eye exam.
...and if the Leaf fan base has its way, Holzer will be joining him shortly. He is not unwanted, by the way, just inexperienced and needs more time in the AHL.

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This is the quintessential bad proposal. Take two players you'd be happy to dump for free, simply to be rid of them and offer them up for a highly effective, desirable, valuable asset. But toss in a 2nd round pick to make things all square. Awful for Phoenix.

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Okay, so, it seems Michalek is out for that package. Curious then, what would it take to land Derek Morris?

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This is the quintessential bad proposal. Take two players you'd be happy to dump for free, simply to be rid of them and offer them up for a highly effective, desirable, valuable asset. But toss in a 2nd round pick to make things all square. Awful for Phoenix.
I don't think the Leafs would be happy to dump Holzer for free, considering they just gave him a two-year extension. And if the Leafs retain some of Connolly's salary, he's likely to be traded by the deadline:

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Let's not forget what Michalek was traded for back in June: a 3rd-round pick, Harrison Ruopp (a potential bottom-pairing defenceman) and Marc Cheverie (a goalie who was let go by the Pens and is now bouncing between the AHL and ECHL).

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Let's not forget what Michalek was traded for back in June: a 3rd-round pick, Harrison Ruopp (a potential bottom-pairing defenceman) and Marc Cheverie (a goalie who was let go by the Pens and is now bouncing between the AHL and ECHL).
That's because the Pens needed to clear salary (or something, I forget) and Shero asked him which team he wanted to be traded to. Phoenix was literally the only team the Pens were trying to negotiate a deal with, so it's not like they had any leverage.

Phoenix, on the other hand, is very happy with Michalek, and he's made a great partner for OEL on our top pairing. Completely different situations.

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I don't think the Leafs would be happy to dump Holzer for free, considering they just gave him a two-year extension. And if the Leafs retain some of Connolly's salary, he's likely to be traded by the deadline:



Let's not forget what Michalek was traded for back in June: a 3rd-round pick, Harrison Ruopp (a potential bottom-pairing defenceman) and Marc Cheverie (a goalie who was let go by the Pens and is now bouncing between the AHL and ECHL).
Shero was gunning for Parise/Suter and dumped Michalek for nothing because he only wanted to go to Phoenix. I'm sure they'd have preferred to move Martin at the time, but I expect nobody wanted him.

Michalek is an excellent fit here and an extremely valuable member of our team. We aren't looking to clear cap room. We arent trading him for garbage.

If the Coyotes wanted Connolly they'd have traded peanuts for him at half price instead of Lombardi. That's what Connolly is worth, a mid to late round pick with half salary retained.

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Okay, so, it seems Michalek is out for that package. Curious then, what would it take to land Derek Morris?
He's equal to Michalek.

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Shero was gunning for Parise/Suter and dumped Michalek for nothing because he only wanted to go to Phoenix. I'm sure they'd have preferred to move Martin at the time, but I expect nobody wanted him.

Michalek is an excellent fit here and an extremely valuable member of our team. We aren't looking to clear cap room. We arent trading him for garbage.

If the Coyotes wanted Connolly they'd have traded peanuts for him at half price instead of Lombardi. That's what Connolly is worth, a mid to late round pick with half salary retained.
If he still only wants to play in Phoenix then Toronto should pass on him.

Agree with you on Connolly. I see him getting traded prior to the deadline for something similar to what Lombardi got to a team that won't want to pay the price that higher end centers like Roy, Ribiero, etc. will garner.

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If he still only wants to play in Phoenix then Toronto should pass on him.

Agree with you on Connolly. I see him getting traded prior to the deadline for something similar to what Lombardi got to a team that won't want to pay the price that higher end centers like Roy, Ribiero, etc. will garner.
So he will stay with Toronto than...

Connolly was waived and not picked up IIRC. That means your best option is that the market has changed and that you will get a 6th or 7th at best for him. Or future considerations...

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So he will stay with Toronto than...

Connolly was waived and not picked up IIRC. That means your best option is that the market has changed and that you will get a 6th or 7th at best for him. Or future considerations...
Why would you pay the assets to bring in a player that you know doesn't want to be on your team? (ask the Blue Jackets how Carter worked out for them)

Teams get desperate so I see a team paying a bit more than you do for Connolly. Teams also have more cap room room and once called up again will come at half his cap hit (with the Leafs still able to take on a bit more in retained salary).

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