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03-12-2013, 12:21 PM
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Trouba was really the steal of the draft IMO.

And i would put Galchenyuk above Yak, i just thing he has more tools in the drawer. Yak is a goal scorer but thats about it.

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03-12-2013, 12:24 PM
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Oscar Dansk climbs 8 spots with his fantastic 10-22-5 record sporting a 4.20 GAA and .887 Sv%.
Playing for Erie. You forgot that part.

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Trouba was really the steal of the draft IMO.

And i would put Galchenyuk above Yak, i just thing he has more tools in the drawer. Yak is a goal scorer but thats about it.
I agree with Galchenyuk..Centremen and better all around player. You build down the middle, especially given the oilers had wingers already. And I live in Edmonton who follows the oilers. In fairness it would have taken a big brass pair for them to pick a player #1 who missed so much time due to injury in his draft year. But damn Galchenyuk and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins as your top 2.

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03-12-2013, 12:47 PM
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Trouba was really the steal of the draft IMO.

And i would put Galchenyuk above Yak, i just thing he has more tools in the drawer. Yak is a goal scorer but thats about it.
Most of his points have come from being a playmaker this year, he hasnt used his shot to half his potential yet, but when he does its pretty neat to watch

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03-12-2013, 12:51 PM
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So future HOFer Morgan Rielly actually regressed? That's a bad list.
Yep. Future HHOF regressed!! You guys better have a parade in Ottawa now.

I don't really believe in "re-ranking" because some of these players play in the NHL, some in the AHL, some in the NCAA, some in the WHL, some in the OHL, QMJHL, etc etc.

When they play in the NHL, we can all come over here and re-rank them 2-3 years from now.

BTW, according to these scouts, Ceci regressed all the way off the list .

Oh god...this article is compiled by Brian Costello

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03-12-2013, 01:10 PM
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Trouba was really the steal of the draft IMO.

And i would put Galchenyuk above Yak, i just thing he has more tools in the drawer. Yak is a goal scorer but thats about it.
Yak's playmaking is seriously underrated. I don't doubt that Galchenyuk is more complete than him due to defensive game, but to imply Galchenyuk is all shot is absurd. Also, Yakupov has been given the Stamkos treatment in Edmonton. Make a big play that results in a goal and lead for the team? Benched in the 3rd period kiddo.

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03-12-2013, 01:10 PM
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I thought Oscar Dansk was having a not-so-good season in the CHL this year?
Earlier in the season, there were times Dansk was standing on his head to win games for Erie. Now, not so much.

Certainly there are consistency issues, but it's hard to judge based on how bad his team is. He also came back from a concussion last month and has struggled since.

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03-12-2013, 01:34 PM
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Wow, surprised (and happy) to see Laughton that high.

His offensive game has definitely grown, which is awesome.

I remember some people surprised that the Flyers took him at 20, but I'm very happy with his progression.

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03-12-2013, 01:44 PM
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after his report on Gardiner being a 2nd rounder because he hasn't played at the NHL when he was traded, I was never going to read anything from this fool. (talking about Brian Costello).

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-pedigree.html

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Why we don’t think Gardiner would be a first-rounder in a 2008 re-draft is the number of that year’s draftees who have surpassed him in the eyes of our scouting panel. Twenty prospects from the 2008 draft now rank ahead of Gardiner in terms of long-term NHL upside. They include (in the order they were drafted):

Nikita Filatov, LW, Columbus, drafted 6th overall.
Mikkel Boedker, RW, Phoenix, drafted 8th overall.
Cody Hodgson, C, Vancouver, drafted 10th overall.
Kyle Beach, LW, Chicago, drafted 11th overall.
Joe Colborne, C, Boston, drafted 16th overall.
Greg Nemisz, C, Calgary, drafted 25th overall.
Jacob Markstrom, G, Florida, drafted 31st overall.
Vyacheslav Voynov, D, Los Angeles, drafted 32nd overall.
Jake Allen, G, St. Louis, drafted 34th overall.
Patrick Wiercioch, D, Ottawa, drafted 42nd overall.
Justin Schultz, D, Anaheim, drafted 43rd overall.
Luke Adam, C, Buffalo, drafted 44th overall.
Zac Dalpe, C, Carolina, drafted 45th overall.
Patrice Cormier, C, Atlanta, drafted 54th overall.
Marco Scandella, D, Minnesota, drafted 55th overall.
Danny Kristo, RW, Montreal, drafted 56th overall.
Adam Henrique, C, New Jersey, drafted 82nd overall.
Braden Holtby, G, Washington, drafted 93rd overall.
T.J. Brodie, D, Calgary, drafted 114th overall.
Andrei Loktionov, C, Los Angeles, drafted 123rd overall.

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These 20 players have completely shifted positions in Future Watch 2011 based on the scouting feedback. But a 2008 re-draft would see Gardiner selected in the middle of the second round at the highest because 24 players from that draft are in the NHL now and another 20 are rated higher than the Wisconsin defenseman.

We report this not to intentionally temper the Toronto enthusiasm on gaining a first-round prospect, only to pass along an unbiased progress report on Gardiner’s status in the scouting community.
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03-12-2013, 01:48 PM
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Yak gets like 10 min per game and is usually sitting in the third period he is not getting more time then Gal hes a sniper and his offense is amazing but he is a giveaway machine. He will learn and be a huge piece for the oilers.
Yak still gets an average of 14:07 per game where Galchenyuk gets an average of 12:38 per game which is the lowest of the Top 10 scoring rookies this year.

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Yak's playmaking is seriously underrated. I don't doubt that Galchenyuk is more complete than him due to defensive game, but to imply Galchenyuk is all shot is absurd. Also, Yakupov has been given the Stamkos treatment in Edmonton. Make a big play that results in a goal and lead for the team? Benched in the 3rd period kiddo.
Seems like Grigorenko gets that treatment for the entire game.

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03-12-2013, 01:56 PM
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after his report on Gardiner being a 2nd rounder because he hasn't played at the NHL when he was traded, I was never going to read anything from this fool. (talking about Brian Costello).

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-pedigree.html



alot of lol and wtf from this idiot.
Yeah, people shouldn't be taking these THN rankings too seriously:

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Future Watch polls scouts from around the league – 18 of them this year, no more than one from each team – and has them rate the top 50 NHL-affiliated prospects based on long-term (five to 10 years) NHL upside. Gardiner didn’t finish among the final top 75 and received just two votes as a top 50 prospect.

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03-12-2013, 02:18 PM
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Yeah, people shouldn't be taking these THN rankings too seriously:
You mean scouts were wrong, Filatov says that is impossible

Any list ever made should be taken with a grain of salt based what the scout looks for, where they are, and who they are affiliated with.

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03-12-2013, 02:22 PM
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The Hockey News is a garbage publication.

I'm not willing to put much stock into anything they publish.

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03-12-2013, 02:25 PM
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Not worried about Ceci at all.

Lots of people thought Karlsson was too small and Cowen was too slow to be effective NHL'ers. Well one is a Norris winner and the other would already be a top 4 NHL defeneman if he wasn't hurt.

Ceci has a booming shot, terrific offensive instincts. Just needs work on his defensive game, playing more physical and his skating. He will be fine.

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03-12-2013, 02:32 PM
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Oscar Dansk climbs 8 spots with his fantastic 10-22-5 record sporting a 4.20 GAA and .887 Sv%.
It's not easy to average 4 goals against a game.

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Not worried about Ceci at all.

Lots of people thought Karlsson was too small and Cowen was too slow to be effective NHL'ers. Well one is a Norris winner and the other would already be a top 4 NHL defeneman if he wasn't hurt.

Ceci has a booming shot, terrific offensive instincts. Just needs work on his defensive game, playing more physical and his skating. He will be fine.
I don't know about Karlsson, but not one said that about Cowen. If anything, people thought he would go higher if it weren't for his injury.

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03-12-2013, 02:32 PM
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I still take Ceci at 15 everyday of the week. Has 62 points in 67 games. Don't see the concern. He's the type of player that would've benefited playing in the AHL more then the OHL. The only players I take over Ceci drafted after him are Wilson or Laughton.

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I'd just keep in mind these rankings flux majorly once their respective organizations get their hands on them. Some are in organizations that will do poorly for their development, others not.

In my case, Ottawa's got 17 drafted players on their roster right now, and somehow getting wins and hanging tight with much better rosters.

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Yak gets like 10 min per game and is usually sitting in the third period he is not getting more time then Gal hes a sniper and his offense is amazing but he is a giveaway machine. He will learn and be a huge piece for the oilers.
Galchenyuk gets almost 2 minutes less per game, so no...

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Jon Gilies should be ahead of Dansk. Gillies is having a hell of year. Can anyone tell where he rank?
Gillies has been fantastic! However, I think these rankings take into considerations their entire semi-pro career. Dansk has been consistently good for a longer stretch.

We Flames fans are really excited with Gillies progress so far though

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I wouldnt blame Oilers for taking Yak, Galchenyuk was WAY too risky to take first overall not playing an ounce last year.

If he were playing though, no doubt that the Oilers would have taken him 1st overall.

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Grigorenko is kind of high on that list

He's looked pretty bad in buffalo so far
He's played 5 minutes a game, mostly with 4th liners a la John Scott, and almost no PP time. He's not exactly being put in a position to succeed offensively.
I'm under the impression Buffalo kept him up because they wanted him working with their skating and conditioning coaches mostly though.
Plus, there's the ~half season of Q games to look at and his impressive performance in the WJCs.


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Tanner Pearson didn't get votes for the top 50. To me, that seems like a glarring omission. I'm sure there are plenty more.

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Man Koekkoek out of the Top50??? Really??

I mean yes it's clear he should fall down to something around 25-30, but what did they expect him to do on the worst team in the OHL ???

Playing over 30min a night, I totally expect a bad number at +/-, and his points weren't that bad either (28p in 40g)

The only concern right now is his shoulder injury, two big season ending injurys in 2 seasons on the same shoulder isn't funny.

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after his report on Gardiner being a 2nd rounder because he hasn't played at the NHL when he was traded, I was never going to read anything from this fool. (talking about Brian Costello).

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-pedigree.html



alot of lol and wtf from this idiot.
Oh yeah I remember that guy now.

Oh and yes he is an idiot.

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