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03-13-2013, 06:18 PM
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Where is that "rumor" even coming from?

David Staples ‏@dstaples

Rumours of Ladi Smid for Jack Johnson trade. Say it ain't so. Sign Smid already! Forget erratic Johnson. #Oilers #CBJ

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Where is that "rumor" even coming from?

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Rumours of Ladi Smid for Jack Johnson trade. Say it ain't so. Sign Smid already! Forget erratic Johnson. #Oilers #CBJ
Also Bob Stauffer, I do not like this upcoming trade deadline one bit, the perfect storm, Smid UFA, Howson being brought it.

Jesus christ tambo you cant be this stupid can you?!?

*cries in corner*

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Where is that "rumor" even coming from?

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Rumours of Ladi Smid for Jack Johnson trade. Say it ain't so. Sign Smid already! Forget erratic Johnson. #Oilers #CBJ
That's crazay.

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03-13-2013, 06:22 PM
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You guys wouldn't be open to that kind of deal? It gives us the #2 defenseman we need. Johnson is a legitimate top pairing guy and he plays with an edge.

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03-13-2013, 06:25 PM
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You guys wouldn't be open to that kind of deal? It gives us the #2 defenseman we need. Johnson is a legitimate top pairing guy and he plays with an edge.
He's apparently terrible according to the stats people

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03-13-2013, 06:26 PM
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You guys wouldn't be open to that kind of deal? It gives us the #2 defenseman we need. Johnson is a legitimate top pairing guy and he plays with an edge.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo, read an advanced stat on the guy, he is not top pairing and barely top 4. Not what we need. Smid is the only unique shot down guy we have.

If we trade Smid, our best defensive defenseman is *shutter* ..........Nick Schultz


And the trade wouldnt be Smid for JJ. It would be two assets (think Carter + 1st) for JJ. And minimal return for UFA smid

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You guys wouldn't be open to that kind of deal? It gives us the #2 defenseman we need. Johnson is a legitimate top pairing guy and he plays with an edge.
Depends on what we're adding.

It can't be 1 for 1 straight up.

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03-13-2013, 06:28 PM
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He's apparently terrible according to the stats people
You mean, he has terrible stats on a bad team? No way.

As for his stats this year, he has 10 points and 50 shots already and leads the team with 26 minutes in ice-time.

He is -9 though.

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03-13-2013, 06:29 PM
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If i was tambo, i had made a move on Ryan Oreilly. Pretty sure Avs doesnt expect a overpay for him after all the trouble. Gagner + nr 1 pick 2014 . Then we have our two way 2 c who work and plays hard, wins fo and can driving the offense.

Hes still young and developes, i mean pay him 5 million for next season and a little extra this remaining before hes rfa is good management. Instead they maybe will pay Gags 5,5 for 5 to 7 years.

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If i was tambo, i had made a move on Ryan Oreilly. Pretty sure Avs doesnt expect a overpay for him after all the trouble. Gagner + nr 1 pick 2014 . Then we have our two way 2 c who work and plays hard, wins fo and can driving the offense.

Hes still young and developes, i mean pay him 5 million for next season and a little extra this remaining before hes rfa is good management. Instead they maybe will pay Gags 5,5 for 5 to 7 years.
Gagner and 2014 1st for ROR? I'd have trouble giving Gagner up for him straight up.

Sounds like someone else is buying into the hype.

Edit: $5.5M for Gagner, really? that Axe did look a little dull.

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03-13-2013, 06:32 PM
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You mean, he has terrible stats on a bad team? No way.

As for his stats this year, he has 10 points and 50 shots already and leads the team with 26 minutes in ice-time.

He is -9 though.
There is some other advanced stats out there that are too flattering, heres a quick one from Lowetides article (this is from his time in LA, some stats from CLB are available to)

"The Kings are better without Jack Johnson. Or at least, every single defenseman on the team (except Drewiske) plays better without Jack Johnson. This despite the fact that Jack didn’t play the toughest minutes on the team (those go to Mitchell and Doughty). The evidence is circumstantial but poor people have been put to death with less. To put it in another way, Jack had both the highest GA/60 among Kings defensemen and the lowest GF/60. He scored less points at a per minutes basis than any other defenseman on the team, including Matt Greene and Rob Scuderi. There’s a lot of different ways you can show it, but Jack Johnson is just… bad. Bad bad bad"

Im not opposed to JJ being on this team, but the CLB will ask for a return similar for what they gave up to get him

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You broke our cap so hard.
Replacing Eberle's 6M long term to Ovy's 9M long term hardly breaks anything.

edit: J.Johnson is a very good player but trading Smid would defeat the purpose..

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03-13-2013, 06:32 PM
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Depends on what we're adding.

It can't be 1 for 1 straight up.
Well I just looked at the tweets and he was saying we would be moving Smid at the deadline and then bringing in Johnson in the summer. He feels there is a deal in place for Johnson and moving Smid makes room for him.

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I'm kind of open to trading Smid for Johnson. The only way I do this is if Smid agrees to re-sign in Edmonton after the season.

That being said, it's unlikely that Edmonton could get him at a discounted price with that move.

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03-13-2013, 06:37 PM
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Well I just looked at the tweets and he was saying we would be moving Smid at the deadline and then bringing in Johnson in the summer. He feels there is a deal in place for Johnson and moving Smid makes room for him.
I really hope Tambo isn't thinking like that.

You don't move Smid to make room for a top pairing defenseman. Ideally you get both.

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I personally don't buy into anything Stauffer says. I enjoy his analysis on the team and on hockey in general, but when it comes to trade, he is always talking about he knows some imminent trade about to happen that we don't, but nothing ever materializes.

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You mean, he has terrible stats on a bad team? No way.

As for his stats this year, he has 10 points and 50 shots already and leads the team with 26 minutes in ice-time.

He is -9 though.
He's had poor stats on most teams, good or bad.

Look at his plus minus on the 10/11 and 11/12 Kings http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000402011.html

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000402012.html

He had a good stretch with CLB after being traded last year, and this year has one of the worst plus minuses on CLB - only Aucoin has a worse +/- among D. I guess you could look at it as a positive that he's beating someone this year - he was last in +/- with LA 4 years in a row before being traded.


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I was thinking him and Matthias.

Matthias' offense hasn't really shown up, but he's big and can skate, he might make a nice player to develop in the bottom-6 who can play up the line up in a pinch.

Plus Kopecky, Florida not withstanding, comes from a couple organizations that know how to win, Det and Chi.
He's a guy I've wanted for 2yrs. He should be able to step in for Horcoff in a year or two and wouldn't look out of place playing with skill guys.. His O is coming I think he's got 8G on the year. Florida has a tonne of C prospects coming and I think he may be the odd man out.

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Gagner and 2014 1st for ROR? I'd have trouble giving Gagner up for him straight up.

Sounds like someone else is buying into the hype.

Edit: $5.5M for Gagner, really? that Axe did look a little dull.
What do you think Gags would ask for if he continues to tap in goals and 2 assists ? There were enough trouble signing him after a 49 pt season, he probably ask for at least 5 if he outpoints Ebs and hall this season and 5-6 years.

Then we have our hands locked when hes back to a normal 40 pt seasons, and impossible to trade(see horcoff). With RoR we can expect that he isnt pan out less then a great 3 c.

Why would Flames offersheet for such a bust as ROR, the compensation had been pretty expensive.

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I personally don't buy into anything Stauffer says. I enjoy his analysis on the team and on hockey in general, but when it comes to trade, he is always talking about he knows some imminent trade about to happen that we don't, but nothing ever materializes.
Yea I've always thought Stauffer was full of crap when he posts rumors. Anyone remember that WOW move we were supposed to make before this season? I called that not happening.. He even posted in the thread I think and backed it up still didn't happen.

I'm not sure about David Staples though. Is he basing all of this just off of Stauffer's thoughts?

Jack Johnson is an ideal target, IMO. We want a #2 defenseman, and he can be that. He'd come cheaper than Yandle as well.

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I've been seeing Eberle pop into a lot of trade proposals lately... I don't get why. I hope he is an Oiler for life. He is not expendable, period. Trade Gagner while his value is high but not Eberle when his value is lower given his mini slump. Sometimes oilers fans can be so flakey.
Eberle will bring back a #2Dman. Gagner will not.


then theres the whole issue of finding a Gagner replacement...that would be fun

Can you say hello Horcoff/Belanger/Lander 2-4C?

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You guys wouldn't be open to that kind of deal? It gives us the #2 defenseman we need. Johnson is a legitimate top pairing guy and he plays with an edge.
He's not a #2 at all. He's a PP specialist. A better Kurtis Foster.

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Replacing Eberle's 6M long term to Ovy's 9M long term hardly breaks anything.

edit: J.Johnson is a very good player but trading Smid would defeat the purpose..
Adding 3.5M in cap space to our already bloated forward core would be bad.

Hall: 6
RNH/Yakupov: Tough to say, but likely 6 each.
Gagner (or replacement): 5+

Consider a teams like chicago, vancouver, sj, det all have 4 or fewer high end forwards in that price range, i dont think we can bump our 5th by 3.5M.


In fact this may be one of WSH biggest issues: not being able to have more than 3 high end forwards (1 of which they actually lost/gave up on last summer)

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Yea I've always thought Stauffer was full of crap when he posts rumors. Anyone remember that WOW move we were supposed to make before this season? I called that not happening.. He even posted in the thread I think and backed it up still didn't happen.

I'm not sure about David Staples though. Is he basing all of this just off of Stauffer's thoughts?

Jack Johnson is an ideal target, IMO. We want a #2 defenseman, and he can be that. He'd come cheaper than Yandle as well.
Except neither of these players are #2D...or 3D for that matter.


They are PP specialists, with 1 dimensional 5v5 play. Everyone here laughed at calgary for Wideman, at CBJ for Wiz.


This is the same type of player on slightly cheaper, still very long contract.

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Tyutin is the guy you want out of CLB not Johnson, especially if management is planning on moving Smid.

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You guys wouldn't be open to that kind of deal? It gives us the #2 defenseman we need. Johnson is a legitimate top pairing guy and he plays with an edge.
He most certainly is not. He is probably the most over rated D in the league. Great toolbox, negative IQ. I want no part of JJ. Never liked him.

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Yea I've always thought Stauffer was full of crap when he posts rumors. Anyone remember that WOW move we were supposed to make before this season? I called that not happening.. He even posted in the thread I think and backed it up still didn't happen.

I'm not sure about David Staples though. Is he basing all of this just off of Stauffer's thoughts?

Jack Johnson is an ideal target, IMO. We want a #2 defenseman, and he can be that. He'd come cheaper than Yandle as well.
To be fair, Stauffer did say that wow trade would only happen if the league started up before Dec. 1st.

As for JJ, I would be happier adding Bouwmeester than I would adding JJ. Horribad defenseman.

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Tyutin is the guy you want out of CLB not Johnson, especially if management is planning on moving Smid.
He's a guy I'd really like to see the Oilers go after, solid allaround top-4 defender.

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