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03-14-2013, 02:29 PM
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Can we roll with three scoring lines for more than two games before we ditch it? I have reservations with trading away the only 'in his prime years' offensive player we have. Look what's happening to Eberle and RNH right now, do you think the pressure on them is going to go up or down if we trade Hemsky?
yeah i don't understand why you would want to trade hemsky right now either.... if we are getting back a bigger LW with some skill or a legit top-4 dman, then sure... but who out there thinks we'll get such a player in return? i suppose if you package him with our pick at the draft, or with one of our more promising prospects (maybe marincin or similar), then maybe you could get such a player

the time has come to stop trading real NHL players for picks and prospects... we're not close to the cap and we are already WAAAAY too young... no more trades for magic beans or "assets"... its time to start turning the table, and trading our magic beans (read: draft picks) and prospects for real NHL players

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03-14-2013, 02:32 PM
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JJ is playing over 29mins a night his last five or 6 games. I don't think he is as bad as everyone is saying. I think he would be a good 2nd pairing dman. He can move the puck and that is what we need on this team.
Would you give up Eberle or Yakupov for him? Cause that is what BJ fans are asking for.

I want no part of JJ. He is a defensive nightmare, imo.

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03-14-2013, 02:34 PM
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Would you give up Eberle or Yakupov for him? Cause that is what BJ fans are asking for.

I want no part of JJ. He is a defensive nightmare, imo.
To be fair, there's almost always a big difference between what fans want, and what the team actually gets

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03-14-2013, 02:45 PM
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So I know Eager cleared, but with Nokelainen being put on waivers by the Habs, I wonder if the Oilers and Habs have a deal in place that depends on Nokelainen clearing

Something like

To MTL: Eager and Belanger

To EDM: White and Nokelainen

The reason it could make sense is with both Eager and Nokelainen clearing waivers that gives each team roster flexibility, they can be left in the minors and recalled, and White for Belanger makes sense because the Habs get a veteran for a playoff run and the Oilers get a gritty bottom-6 center.

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03-14-2013, 03:12 PM
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So I know Eager cleared, but with Nokelainen being put on waivers by the Habs, I wonder if the Oilers and Habs have a deal in place that depends on Nokelainen clearing

Something like

To MTL: Eager and Belanger

To EDM: White and Nokelainen

The reason it could make sense is with both Eager and Nokelainen clearing waivers that gives each team roster flexibility, they can be left in the minors and recalled, and White for Belanger makes sense because the Habs get a veteran for a playoff run and the Oilers get a gritty bottom-6 center.
I don't understand Nokelainen. Habs fans talk him up as a big center, but why don't they need him? I also don't like the injury history.

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and ryan white is a dirt ball and a horrible hockey player, i'd rather have an empty roster spot or omark then him, no joke.

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I'd make a deal around Hemsky for Umberger or Brouwer. It's a sacrifice in skill no doubt, but both of those guys are relatively young and definitely able to handle top-6 or top-9 minutes with the elusive "size and toughness."

I also wonder if this is the summer that one of Boston's relatively pricey bottom-6 forwards gets shaken loose. Lucic, Seguin, and Marchand all already have big contract raises in place for next season, Tuukka Rask is an RFA, and they only really have Horton coming off the books. Something around Rich Peverley for a 2nd round pick? (EDIT: Martin Gernat could be a good candidate too). Clears $3.25 million for Boston and gives us a dependable 2-way veteran who can play both wing and center.

Forwards would look something like:


Hall-Nugent Hopkins-Eberle
Umberger-Gagner-Yakupov
Paajarvi-Horcoff-Peverley
Smyth-Belanger-Brown


That, to me, looks like a playoff-calibre forward corps.


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03-14-2013, 03:33 PM
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^^^ Now that you mention Omark...

I'd be down to trade Hemsky - for a forward prospect and a pic - and bring in Omark as his replacement, actually

He's obviously a downgrade on Hemmer, not a massive one, but at like 4.5 million dollars cheaper. It would free up some cap room to resign Gagner, and he could be good with Hall and Horcoff.

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and ryan white is a dirt ball and a horrible hockey player, i'd rather have an empty roster spot or omark then him, no joke.
Same here. I want no part of his BS

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^^^ Now that you mention Omark...

I'd be down to trade Hemsky - for a forward prospect and a pic - and bring in Omark as his replacement, actually

He's obviously a downgrade on Hemmer, not a massive one, but at like 4.5 million dollars cheaper. It would free up some cap room to resign Gagner, and he could be good with Hall and Horcoff.
i'd rather just play yakupov in hemskys spot, there is no use for omark imo, unless other teams gm's are reading the board......then i meant to say OMARK IS THE BEST CANT BELIEVE HE ISNT ON OUR TEAM.

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i'd rather just play yakupov in hemskys spot, there is no use for omark imo, unless other teams gm's are reading the board......then i meant to say OMARK IS THE BEST CANT BELIEVE HE ISNT ON OUR TEAM.
What do you mean play Yakupov in Hemsky's spot? You want to take him off the Gagner Paajarvi line?

My idea would be to replace Hemsky with Omark on the Hall Horcoff line.

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What do you mean play Yakupov in Hemsky's spot? You want to take him off the Gagner Paajarvi line?

My idea would be to replace Hemsky with Omark on the Hall Horcoff line.
That immediately removes the line's worth as a hard matchup though. Omark would have to be sheltered.

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If we bring back Omark I want Schremp too.

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Well its official, this thread has successful done a complete loop...

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If we bring back Omark I want Schremp too.
JFJ-Pouliot-Omark as a third line? brings grit and scoring!



But in all seriousness, I don't think Omark is that big of a downgrade on Hemsky. We're going to have to start figuring out where the salary cap is going to be spent, meaning if you want to keep a Hemsky you lose a Gagner. Sometimes you can't have the best player at all positions, that's why you pair a guy like Omark up with Hall and Horcoff.

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What's Alexei "Traktor" Mikhnov upto these days?

His Youtube highlight video was one for the ages. Amazing..

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JFJ-Pouliot-Omark as a third line? brings grit and scoring!



But in all seriousness, I don't think Omark is that big of a downgrade on Hemsky. We're going to have to start figuring out where the salary cap is going to be spent, meaning if you want to keep a Hemsky you lose a Gagner. Sometimes you can't have the best player at all positions, that's why you pair a guy like Omark up with Hall and Horcoff.
Omark isn't a big downgrade to Hemsky? Seriously??

And no you don't have to choose between Gagner and Hemsky. Hemsky's contract is for one more year and Gagner resigns this summer when we have lots of cap space.

Why do people keep wanting to trade Hemsky for picks/prospects?? I don't get it. We're past that point in the rebuild, we need his scoring right now and have no one to replace him with. We finally have some balance in our lineup. He is not a cap killer as we don't have a crunch.

If you want to trade Hemsky it has got to be for an obvious upgrade on D or a grittier top six LW.

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JFJ-Pouliot-Omark as a third line? brings grit and scoring!



But in all seriousness, I don't think Omark is that big of a downgrade on Hemsky. We're going to have to start figuring out where the salary cap is going to be spent, meaning if you want to keep a Hemsky you lose a Gagner. Sometimes you can't have the best player at all positions, that's why you pair a guy like Omark up with Hall and Horcoff.
size up the wing, faceoff guy, offensive punch on the other wing, cant go wrong

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What's Alexei "Traktor" Mikhnov upto these days?

His Youtube highlight video was one for the ages. Amazing..
he is still battling jesse ninnimaki as the most best awesome oilers 1st rounder ever. winner faces bonsignor

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Sorry, Omark is a sever down grade over Hemsky. I know I am not the only one tired of the Omark discussion and how people think he should play and how he has played. Omark is more suited to European hockey, been saying that for four years

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With Whitney and Khabby coming off the books that will cover the raises that Hall, Eberle and Gagner get next year.

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yeah i don't understand why you would want to trade hemsky right now either.... if we are getting back a bigger LW with some skill or a legit top-4 dman, then sure... but who out there thinks we'll get such a player in return? i suppose if you package him with our pick at the draft, or with one of our more promising prospects (maybe marincin or similar), then maybe you could get such a player

the time has come to stop trading real NHL players for picks and prospects... we're not close to the cap and we are already WAAAAY too young... no more trades for magic beans or "assets"... its time to start turning the table, and trading our magic beans (read: draft picks) and prospects for real NHL players
I think most of us are in agreement with this.

But out of all our players who could be moved who have some value to other teams, it's likely to be Hemsky and Gagner as the options.

We shouldn't trade Hemsky for a pick or prospect but if he is a package to get a top 3 D-man, I'd have to make that tough decision.

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With Whitney and Khabby coming off the books that will cover the raises that Hall, Eberle and Gagner get next year.
Yeah except you need to replace those 2. Say 1.5-2M for Whitney's replacement, another 1M for Khabby. Your still going to be out roughly 3M.

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Nah apparently we'll get Penner, Garbagekov and Omark to solve our problems.

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But in all seriousness, I don't think Omark is that big of a downgrade on Hemsky.


Bwahahaha, hilarious. Sorry, i can't make out your point after you said that. My eyes were tearing too much from your humor.

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