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03-21-2013, 04:12 PM
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What about Talbot? If he's available, I'd be very interested. And only for a 2nd round pick + something small? Hell yeah.
Talbot is not an improvement over either Shaw or Kruger so there would be no point in bringing him in

Shaw = 7 goals + 4 assists with 44.2% FO in 30 GP
Kruger = 3 goals + 7 assists with 45.5% FO in 30 GP

Talbot = 4 goals + 5 assists with 47.6% FO in 30 GP

Overall all 3 are on par

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03-21-2013, 05:00 PM
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I'd want Talbot as the 4th line LW, major improvement over what we have there.

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03-21-2013, 05:03 PM
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I'd want Talbot as the 4th line LW, major improvement over what we have there.
You'd give up a 2nd round pick+ to improve the teams 4th LW spot? Really? The Hawks 4th line is already far better than most.

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03-21-2013, 05:20 PM
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Unless Bollands starts to play up to his potential, he should be trade bait to bring in a 2nd line center. The Hawks don't need a flashy, high scoring 2nd line center but rather one who will play good 2-way hockey and create space for Kane and possibly Sharp to fill the oppisition goal. Sharpie is another one who Bowman should think about trading but only for the right return. Not just thinking about Lord Stanley but thinking ahead to the salary cap going down. The Hawks cannot and will not trade for another large cap hit unless they can unload both Bolland and Sharp which I doubt they would ever let both go at the same time.

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03-21-2013, 07:18 PM
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I think there are maybe five untouchables on this team. Maybe seven.

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03-21-2013, 07:21 PM
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Unless Bollands starts to play up to his potential, he should be trade bait to bring in a 2nd line center. The Hawks don't need a flashy, high scoring 2nd line center but rather one who will play good 2-way hockey and create space for Kane and possibly Sharp to fill the oppisition goal. Sharpie is another one who Bowman should think about trading but only for the right return. Not just thinking about Lord Stanley but thinking ahead to the salary cap going down. The Hawks cannot and will not trade for another large cap hit unless they can unload both Bolland and Sharp which I doubt they would ever let both go at the same time.
bolland is playing to his potential. he's a 3rd liner. a couple playoffs where he was one of the freshest guys on the ice because he missed a bunch of regular season games with injuries doesn't change that.

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03-21-2013, 07:25 PM
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I think there are maybe five untouchables on this team. Maybe seven.
Toews, Kane, Hossa, Saad, Keith, Seabrook, Leddy, Sharp

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03-21-2013, 07:30 PM
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toews and kane are the only untouchables. everyone else is movable for the right deal. 2 years ago i would have said keith and maybe seabrook were untouchable, not anymore. Keith lost the offense that made him one of the best dmen in the league.

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03-21-2013, 08:00 PM
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bolland is playing to his potential. he's a 3rd liner. a couple playoffs where he was one of the freshest guys on the ice because he missed a bunch of regular season games with injuries doesn't change that.
He played in 39 regular season games in 2010.. I would say the "freshness" wore off far before the playoffs started and in 2011, he was coming off a concussion. One might argue the rust and freshness would cancel each other out.

Bolland's an elite shutdown centre that gets it done when it matters. A few regular season games going pointless doesn't change that.

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03-21-2013, 08:13 PM
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Toews, Kane, Hossa, Saad, Keith, Seabrook, Leddy, Sharp
I would take Sharp, Seabs, and maybe Hossa off that list. As stated above....the list gets shorter for the right trade. But for cap/skill hit Saad and Leddy would be tough to trade.

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03-21-2013, 08:16 PM
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He played in 39 regular season games in 2010.. I would say the "freshness" wore off far before the playoffs started and in 2011, he was coming off a concussion. One might argue the rust and freshness would cancel each other out.

Bolland's an elite shutdown centre that gets it done when it matters. A few regular season games going pointless doesn't change that.
15/24 isn't a "few".

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03-21-2013, 08:57 PM
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15/24 isn't a "few".
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03-21-2013, 09:15 PM
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Rich Peverley is a healthy scratch for Boston vs Ottawa tonight, which leads to speculation that Peverley might be involved in a trade.

How about Peverley for Bolland straight up. Their salary caps AAV's are almost identical and their scoring stats are very close too. They're about the same size and both are right handed shots. Both are basically 3C type centers where the difference is Peverley is pretty good on faceoffs and Bolland is a pretty good shutdown center.

What does everyone think about that?

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03-21-2013, 10:24 PM
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Peverley is not a #2 C ,, He is also playing terrible this year with 2 goals + 2 assists and a -4 over last 15 games

Also his contract runs thru 2014-15 at 3.25M cap hit (A year longer then Bolland's)

No thanks

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03-21-2013, 10:28 PM
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Rich Peverley is a healthy scratch for Boston vs Ottawa tonight, which leads to speculation that Peverley might be involved in a trade.

How about Peverley for Bolland straight up. Their salary caps AAV's are almost identical and their scoring stats are very close too. They're about the same size and both are right handed shots. Both are basically 3C type centers where the difference is Peverley is pretty good on faceoffs and Bolland is a pretty good shutdown center.

What does everyone think about that?
I think Bolland has become pretty underrated just because of his struggles at #2C, which are over stated as it is.

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03-21-2013, 10:36 PM
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Peverley is not a #2 C ,, He is also playing terrible this year with 2 goals + 2 assists and a -4 over last 15 games

Also his contract runs thru 2014-15 at 3.25M cap hit (A year longer then Bolland's)

No thanks
Neither is Bolland.

Peverley has 4 goals and 5 assists for 9 points and is a -9 but he has been playing on the checking line with a combination of Chris Kelly, Jay Pandolfo and Jordan Caron. Historically he is a plus player. He's also about 55% on faceoffs for his career, including this season.

Bolland has 5 goals and 7 assists for 12 points and is a -4 while playing with Kane and Sharp. Bolland is about 45% on faceoffs.

Is Peverley a 2C? No, but he is easily equal offensively with Bolland and he would give the Hawks a guy that provides good faceoffs on the PK and can play between Kane and Sharp without disrupting the other lines.

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03-22-2013, 01:49 AM
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I still say we should go hard after Goc. Good for C depth, good on the PK and kind of underrated

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You'd give up a 2nd round pick+ to improve the teams 4th LW spot? Really? The Hawks 4th line is already far better than most.
Yep. Anyway this team can get better. Talbot is a beast in the playoffs. That helps a lot too, getting bottom 6ers that can chip in goals.

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03-22-2013, 11:24 AM
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Peverly has too much time and money left on his deal to be considered a good choice.

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03-22-2013, 12:04 PM
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Blues trade D'Agostini to the Devils for a 5th round pick

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03-22-2013, 01:06 PM
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Trading Stalberg or Bickell

Obviously not for a grinder type but if do in fact deal for a 2C, I think there is a very good chance one of these guys goes the other way in the package rather than us keeping both and demoting one or Saad/Shaw to the 4th line. I've been hearing speculation from the media about it on the radio too, on multiple occasions. Should we do it?

With them both hitting UFA, I think the thought process is keep them and let them walk while dealing someone like Hayes or Morin or keep the prospects since they'll be needed in the coming years to replace these guys.

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03-22-2013, 01:17 PM
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Why does it matter if Shaw is on the fourth line? He'll still get alright minutes. Our fourth line is and certainly wouldn't become a liability.

Example:

Saad-Toews-Hossa
Sharp-Ribiero-Kane
Bickell-Bolland-Stalberg
Hayes-Kruger-Shaw
Frolik, Carcillo

That lineup is sick and has BOTH Bickell and Stalberg. They could get away with not having Bickell and Stalberg, but they can and should keep both.

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03-22-2013, 01:21 PM
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I assume if we trade for a #2 center, it's coming from a team that is not playoff bound.

Why then, would they want one of our UFA's?

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I assume if we trade for a #2 center, it's coming from a team that is not playoff bound.

Why then, would they want one of our UFA's?
I'm sure they would resign them and pay them what they are worth, just like we would if we could afford it. Like in a Ribeiro deal, it makes sense IMO.

There is a difference between guys like these two and someone like Ribeiro in terms of resigning them. BB/Stalberg most likely have a number in mind, and that can be shared with the trading GM.

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