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03-19-2013, 04:52 PM
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Panthers will listen to offers for sure... still say Goc would be perfect fit for our team
Goc has a $1.7 cap hit next year. Allows him to be 3rd line center next year and you can move Shaw back to Wing. Bowman and Tallon have done business in the past so it wouldn't be crazy to think they could get a deal done again this year.

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Would Goc even want to come to Chicago?

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03-19-2013, 05:25 PM
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Stalberg and Bickell are both UFA after the season.
Leddy is RFA.

What would it take to re-sign 'em?
My guesses:
Stalberg $3.25M
Bickell $1.6M
Leddy $3.5M
Lets assume Bickell puts up 28 points (48 points over full season), the same as Stalberg.. why is Bickell getting peanuts while Stalberg's getting paid like a top-6 forward? Doesn't make sense. They've both only had 1 good season in the NHL, and they're the same age.

If both keep up their play, they'll both command 3M+ and someone will overpay them as UFAs.

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The first two are pretty close, although I could see Bickell getting a big more and maybe a little less for Vik. Leddy better not get 3.5M unless we're talking about a 5-6 year deal. If it's 3.5M per for like two years, he's got to be traded.

And as we all know, if this team wins the Cup, the guys who had the best playoffs will get more than they otherwise would.
No he doesn't. That's ridiculous.

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03-19-2013, 05:28 PM
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On TSN Bickell is quoted as saying he wants to stay in Chicago and not hop around from team to team in his career. Sounds like he is willing to give us a discount, but anything over 2.5mil is too much for him imo.

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The first two are pretty close, although I could see Bickell getting a big more and maybe a little less for Vik. Leddy better not get 3.5M unless we're talking about a 5-6 year deal. If it's 3.5M per for like two years, he's got to be traded.

And as we all know, if this team wins the Cup, the guys who had the best playoffs will get more than they otherwise would.
I agree RE: Leddy. But i was **** on when I said it in a previous thread.

3.5 is way too much for Leddy at this point. Waaaaaayyyyyy too much.

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03-19-2013, 05:35 PM
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On TSN Bickell is quoted as saying he wants to stay in Chicago and not hop around from team to team in his career. Sounds like he is willing to give us a discount, but anything over 2.5mil is too much for him imo.
It depends on which Bickell you get. If he can be 75% as good as he's been this season, I'd give him 2.75M over 3 years.

The problem that Bickell's going to have during negotiations, and why Chicago may just let him walk (though that's not a guarantee), is that Chicago has so many forward prospects that are ready (Morin, Hayes, Smith) or will be ready in the very-near future (Pirri, Danault, McNeill) and then there's a few guys that are harder to predict, because of where they're playing (Teravainen) or how high their potential ceiling is (Beach, Ross, Nordstrom).

Either way, Chicago's got options.

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On TSN Bickell is quoted as saying he wants to stay in Chicago and not hop around from team to team in his career. Sounds like he is willing to give us a discount, but anything over 2.5mil is too much for him imo.
So much depends on what Leddy and Kruger get

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03-19-2013, 05:40 PM
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So much depends on what Leddy and Kruger get
Personally, I would rather have Bickell than Kruger.

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03-19-2013, 05:50 PM
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Only way Bickell should be back is if he signs a 1 yr deal

No way you give Bickell a multi-year contract given how you never know which Bickell will show up

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03-19-2013, 06:08 PM
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I think it all comes down to what type of contract Leddy is looking for. If Leddy signs a short term bridge deal (1-3 years at 2-2.5 mil/per) to set him up for a big money long term deal than the Hawks might be able to afford to keep one of Bickell or Stalberg. If Leddy wants a longer term deal now (5+ years at 3 mil+) than the Hawks probably won't be able to afford to keep either one of Bickell and Stalberg.

The Hawks are in a bit of a cap bind next year, but they have options next year that they didn't have during the last capocalypse. They could buyout Rusty or Monty, trade Frolik, or give a few prospects a shot to stick with the team.

The thing that worries me the most is what Hossa will do. If the Hawks win the cup this year (or Hoss gets seriously injured) it wouldn't surprise me at all if Hossa decides to hang up the skates. There isn't a whole lot in free agency or the prospect pool that could fill that void

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It depends on which Bickell you get. If he can be 75% as good as he's been this season, I'd give him 2.75M over 3 years.

The problem that Bickell's going to have during negotiations, and why Chicago may just let him walk (though that's not a guarantee), is that Chicago has so many forward prospects that are ready (Morin, Hayes, Smith) or will be ready in the very-near future (Pirri, Danault, McNeill) and then there's a few guys that are harder to predict, because of where they're playing (Teravainen) or how high their potential ceiling is (Beach, Ross, Nordstrom).

Either way, Chicago's got options.
And when you look down that list, where does Kruger fit, in Hawks future? He should be the odd man out at season end, and he may retrieve a decent draft pick (long term prospect) or grinder (short term). Frolik could go as well but he will be more difficult to move.

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03-19-2013, 06:20 PM
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And when you look down that list, where does Kruger fit, in Hawks future? He should be the odd man out at season end, and he may retrieve a decent draft pick (long term prospect) or grinder (short term). Frolik could go as well but he will be more difficult to move.
Kruger's not close to being the odd-man out. He's an RFA, not a UFA and wouldn't cost as much as Bickell/Stalberg regardless.

Kruger has a role that suits him right now. I firmly believe he can be more than he's been and he will be, but that doesn't mean Chicago has to move him this off-season.. after next year, that's when it will get interesting because McNeill and Danault will both have a year of Pro experience under their belts and Teravainen will be coming over to N.A.

What the team does with Bolland will decide how long Kruger remains a Blackhawk. If Bolland stays, Kruger likely goes. If Bolland goes, Kruger likely stays.

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I think it all comes down to what type of contract Leddy is looking for. If Leddy signs a short term bridge deal (1-3 years at 2-2.5 mil/per) to set him up for a big money long term deal than the Hawks might be able to afford to keep one of Bickell or Stalberg. If Leddy wants a longer term deal now (5+ years at 3 mil+) than the Hawks probably won't be able to afford to keep either one of Bickell and Stalberg.

The Hawks are in a bit of a cap bind next year, but they have options next year that they didn't have during the last capocalypse. They could buyout Rusty or Monty, trade Frolik, or give a few prospects a shot to stick with the team.

The thing that worries me the most is what Hossa will do. If the Hawks win the cup this year (or Hoss gets seriously injured) it wouldn't surprise me at all if Hossa decides to hang up the skates. There isn't a whole lot in free agency or the prospect pool that could fill that void
Hossa would be retiring very young and leaving lots of money on the table.

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Frolik has to go, one way or another. I would be more than OK with Kruger traded and keeping both Bickell and Stalberg.

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Hossa would be retiring very young
He is 34 and has been seriously injured on several occasions in recent years. Not at all what I would consider "very young".

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leaving lots of money on the table.
He only has 3 more years at top pay and if he was considering retirement the Hawks may decide to buy him out to avoid the cap penalty.

I'm not saying it will happen, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Hoss retires after a cup win or another big injury.

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It depends on which Bickell you get. If he can be 75% as good as he's been this season, I'd give him 2.75M over 3 years.

The problem that Bickell's going to have during negotiations, and why Chicago may just let him walk (though that's not a guarantee), is that Chicago has so many forward prospects that are ready (Morin, Hayes, Smith) or will be ready in the very-near future (Pirri, Danault, McNeill) and then there's a few guys that are harder to predict, because of where they're playing (Teravainen) or how high their potential ceiling is (Beach, Ross, Nordstrom).

Either way, Chicago's got options.
IMO, $2.75m per is a lot for Bickell and $3m is a lot for Stalberg. These guys are good players but we simply can't afford them and like you said, we have plenty of guys who should be able to slot into the bottom-6. Morin/Pirri/Hayes seem pretty seasoned at this point, and with McNeill, Danault, TT only a couple years out, it's just money better spent on future deals for Leddy & Hjalmarsson who are much higher priorities if you ask me.

Next year we will have:

Toews/Kane/Hossa/Sharp/Bolland/Saad/Frolik/Bollig/Shaw/Carcillo (10 forwards) already under contract and fairly permanent members of the forward group. Kruger will be re-signed for cheap since he doesn't score, that makes 11 forwards. Add to that Morin/Pirri/Hayes....plus probably a couple of other not-obvious guys who could have a shot (Smith, TT??, Danault??).

Maybe they try to re-sign one of Stalberg/Bickell as insurance, but Pirri & Morin have had very good offensive seasons in the AHL at age 21 and seem ready for the NHL.

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In terms of cap problems - I would seriously advocate trading Toews for Bozak; then Kane re-signing for whatever amount won't be a major problem.

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In terms of cap problems - I would seriously advocate trading Toews for Bozak; then Kane re-signing for whatever amount won't be a major problem.
I don't know if the Leafs would go for that. We'd probably have to add.

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In terms of cap problems - I would seriously advocate trading Toews for Bozak; then Kane re-signing for whatever amount won't be a major problem.
That is funny stuff.

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9 teams are scouting the game at Bell Center tonight, including Blues GM Doug Armstrong. Pierre Gauthier and Scotty Bowman (CHI) are here.

https://twitter.com/renlavoierds/sta...45417661136896


Scotty + Pierre up in Montreal to watch Buffalo ,, Thoughts?

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I don't really know who they'd be scouting on the Sabres. Seems like Ott/Stafford are the most likely trade candidates, but neither really seem like fits in Chicago.

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I don't really know who they'd be scouting on the Sabres. Seems like Ott/Stafford are the most likely trade candidates, but neither really seem like fits in Chicago.
Why would Ott not fit?

Perfect #3 C and a much better guy at dot then anyone on Hawks not named Toews

Move Shaw to back to wing

If Hawks aren't going ot upgrade #2 C spot then upgrading #3 Spot makes most sense

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Why would Ott not fit?

Perfect #3 C and a much better guy at dot then anyone on Hawks not named Toews

Move Shaw to back to wing

If Hawks aren't going ot upgrade #2 C spot then upgrading #3 Spot makes most sense
It depends on what they want to do with the third line. They've played great as a unit, do you really want to break them up? Probably not. So, that really only leaves the 4th line centre spot open and I don't know that they'd want to pay the price for Ott to be the 4th line centre, though, Chcago's 4th line plays more than most.

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