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03-14-2013, 11:57 AM
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Leafs-Sharks (Hypothetical)

To Toronto

Joe Thornton
Ryan Clowe

To San Jose

Mikhail Grabovski (Tyler Bozak?)
Nikolai Kulemin
Jake Gardiner
Brad Ross (and/or Percy)
1st Round Pick 2013
3rd Round Pick 2014


I had a huge (and I mean huge) written portion, but I deleted it all trying to copy something (no clue what happened )

Essentially this is a deal that is hypothetical based on San Jose continuing to fall, and the Leafs remain in the 5th/6th position. It's more of a deadline deal.

This gives San Jose some nice pieces for now and the future and turns this season into a rebuilding year, to reload for next season by trading to veterans players that are somewhat expendable. (Jumbo Joe by Pavelski and Couture at center)

Toronto gets a #1 C (that is a very nice fit) and a maybe rental (if they choose to resign him) that could turn his offensive season around if he played on a line with a Nazem Kadri and Matt Frattin?

For Leaf Fans, here is what lines (forward) would like like in my mind.

Lupul - Thornton - Kessel
Clowe - Kadri - Frattin
JVR - Bozak/Grabo - MacArthur
Komarov - McClement - McLaren/Orr


San Jose lines (I don't watch San Jose, not sure what combo's they have, keep in mind, also, that D looks great) The forward lines are likely WAY off lol

Patrick Marleau - Logan Couture - Martin Havlat
Nikolai Kulemin - Mikhail Grabovski - Joe Pavelski
TJ Galiardi - Michal Handzus - James Sheppard
Adam Burish - Scott Gomez - Tim Kennedy

Brent Burns - Jake Gardiner
Dan Boyle - MA Vlasic
Brad Stuart - Douglas Murray

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03-14-2013, 12:18 PM
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As a Sharks fan, I want Thornton to retire a Sharks so I'll say no. We don't really need Gardiner as we are perfectly fine on D.

It also makes no sense for Toronto. Why are they getting older?

BTW, no way in hell is Clowe above JVR. Trust me

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03-14-2013, 12:32 PM
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From a Toronto fan.......... NO!!!!!!

This is a deal that you might do if you feel you are on the cusp of winning the cup. We are not there.

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03-14-2013, 12:34 PM
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This is the first year Toronto has looked good and are in a prime position to make the playoffs, why do I keep seeing threads here about Toronto blowing it up to get older players. Sure Thornton is the best player in the deal here but you're blowing up your second line, a future top 4 defenseman, and a boat load of picks.

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03-14-2013, 12:44 PM
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This is the first year Toronto has looked good and are in a prime position to make the playoffs, why do I keep seeing threads here about Toronto blowing it up to get older players. Sure Thornton is the best player in the deal here but you're blowing up your second line, a future top 4 defenseman, and a boat load of picks.
Because the fans of my team are sooooooo patient.........

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03-14-2013, 12:45 PM
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To Toronto

Joe Thornton
Ryan Clowe

To San Jose

Mikhail Grabovski
Nikolai Kulemin
Percy
3rd Round Pick 2014


Now there is a deal that makes a heck of alot more sense. Let's do it up.

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03-14-2013, 12:48 PM
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To Toronto

Joe Thornton
Ryan Clowe

To San Jose

Mikhail Grabovski
Nikolai Kulemin
Percy
3rd Round Pick 2014


Now there is a deal that makes a heck of alot more sense. Let's do it up.
How about no?

Seriously, no.

No to the OP as well.

Quantity does not equal quality.

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03-14-2013, 12:49 PM
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WoW, WoW, and WoW

All that for Thorton (Clowe is a pending UFA)

2/3 of our second line
top d prospect (recent 1rst rounder)
mid level prospect (recent 2nd rounder)
1rst round pick
3rd round pick

makes no sense

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03-14-2013, 12:50 PM
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toronto does not go anywhere near this deal.

1st + 3rd + gardiner + grabovski + ross for thornton

kulemin for clowe

i think value is WAY off, thornton is really good but i dont think he is that good, especially when you consider age and cap hit

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03-14-2013, 01:01 PM
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Why are you guys arguing with yourselves? No Sharks fan would accept this anyway. If we trade Joe Thornton (which won't happen) we will get a better return elsewhere, that actually suits our needs, which this does not.

In fact, let me be a little more specific:

Don't want Grabovski. Isn't producing, huge contract, don't need more centers anyway.
Kulemin at least fits a need to some degree, but is fairly expensive and Doug Wilson generally isn't big on Russians anyway.
Gardiner is fine, but we don't need defensemen, at all.

So none of those players are really going to hold any interesting for the Sharks.


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How about no?

Seriously, no.

No to the OP as well.

Quantity does not equal quality.
Whatever do you mean?

Kulemin > Clowe (Clowe is a struggling UFA)

Grabo + Percy + 3rd = Thornton

Grabo (2nd line center who is locked up)
Percy (1st round pick whom is developing well)
3rd

for

Thornton (aging 1st line center with only 1 yr remaining on contract)

That's the most you'd get for Thornton. Arguement is moot anyways, as I have NO INTEREST IN JOE THORNTON.

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03-14-2013, 01:14 PM
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The only thing that Sharks and Leafs fans can agree on is that the Leafs aren't willing to give up what the Sharks would ask for for Thornton.

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03-14-2013, 01:15 PM
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To Toronto

Joe Thornton
Ryan Clowe

To San Jose

Mikhail Grabovski
Nikolai Kulemin
Percy
3rd Round Pick 2014


Now there is a deal that makes a heck of alot more sense. Let's do it up.
How about Murray for Kadri

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03-14-2013, 01:17 PM
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Whatever do you mean?

Kulemin > Clowe (Clowe is a struggling UFA)

Grabo + Percy + 3rd = Thornton

Grabo (2nd line center who is locked up)
Percy (1st round pick whom is developing well)
3rd

for

Thornton (aging 1st line center with only 1 yr remaining on contract)

That's the most you'd get for Thornton. Arguement is moot anyways, as I have NO INTEREST IN JOE THORNTON.
You leave out a lot of pretty important things liek Grabovksi is highly overpaid for a very long time. I consider him to have nearly negative value to the Sharks who are a cap constrained team with no need for centers (Pavelski, Couture, Marleau are all superior players). We are not paying Grabovski $5.5m to be our 3rd line center.

Kulemin for Clowe, fine, no problem with that.

But you think a player with little to no value to a team plus a prospect and 3rd is seriously going to return you a superstar #1 center? Give me a break. I don't care if you don't like Joe Thornton, that is simply not realistic, at all.

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03-14-2013, 01:28 PM
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I was trying to think of a package I would even consider from the Leafs and honestly i don't see it. We need high talent offensive forward prospects (good skaters), NHL ready 2nd/3rd line wingers with reasonable contracts, and picks.

Not thinks the Leafs have in spade or are willing to give up. Just doesn't make a ton of sense. There are other teams in desperate need of a #1c that will have assets that fit our needs better.

Also, Joe Thornton has a NMC and isn't going to waive it, and unless Doug Wilson is fired isn't even going to be asked, so it's a pointless discussion.

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Only guy I'd personally want from SJ is Burnsy

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03-14-2013, 03:03 PM
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Given Joe's apparent desire to play in a small market with minimal media pressure, I cannot see him waiving his NMC to go to Toronto (or Montreal or similar). It is funny how people get caugh up in trying to determine relative value without looking at the very basic reasons why certain deals would not happen. Beyond that, I doubt Wilson would trade Thornton. And if Thornton were to waive his NMC, I would presume it would be to go to a SC contender and a rebuilding Toronto does not fit that profile.

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03-14-2013, 03:06 PM
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Toronto gets older and slower.

You're not a Thornton away from being a contender and if you did do this trade, then you'd have Thornton, but you'd be having depth away from being a contender.

I don't think either team would do this.


At first I only saw Clowe...

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This is the first year Toronto has looked good and are in a prime position to make the playoffs, why do I keep seeing threads here about Toronto blowing it up to get older players. Sure Thornton is the best player in the deal here but you're blowing up your second line, a future top 4 defenseman, and a boat load of picks.
This opinion represents 0.00001% of the fanbase.

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Only guy I'd personally want from SJ is Burnsy
That Couture guy is alright too.

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So much no in this thread...

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No way to that deal.

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Do not want the pieces you've offered. We give up far and away the best asset for a bunch of mediocre ones. An exemplification of typical Leaf proposals.

Kulemin - I'd like him, but would give a 2nd.
Gardiner - Do not need, especially not at this cost.
Grabo - Overpaid and unneeded.
Brad Ross - Throw in.
1st - Not looking like a lottery pick (do not want).
3rd - Again, seriously?

Come on... weak proposal.

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Whatever do you mean?

Kulemin > Clowe (Clowe is a struggling UFA)

Grabo + Percy + 3rd = Thornton


Grabo (2nd line center who is locked up)
Percy (1st round pick whom is developing well)
3rd

for

Thornton (aging 1st line center with only 1 yr remaining on contract)

That's the most you'd get for Thornton. Arguement is moot anyways, as I have NO INTEREST IN JOE THORNTON.
Yeah, and Kessel = Wingels, Demers and 3rd

Goodness gracious... I thought you were being sarcastic. Didn't even take you seriously - that's how bad your proposal is.

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Yeah, and Kessel = Wingels, Demers and 3rd

Goodness gracious... I thought you were being sarcastic. Didn't even take you seriously - that's how bad your proposal is.
His proposals are always that bad.

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