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Detroit & Jimmy Howard Making Progress on Extension (Aaron Ward says not so close)

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03-14-2013, 06:08 PM
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Detroit & Jimmy Howard Making Progress on Extension (Aaron Ward says not so close)

Saw it on the TSN ticker, no link.

Honestly, if I were Detroit, I'd be inclined to see how Howard looks in the playoffs first.

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Here is a link for you Caley:

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....ress_in_c.html

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A source told MLive.com that the sides are inching closer to agreeing on a deal that would more than double Howard's current $2.25 million salary to the $5 million-a-year range. It is expected to be for at least six or seven years.
People are unhappy with the rumored length over on the Detroit page.

Per: Ansar Khan over on MLive a very good Wings source.

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Here is a link for you Caley:

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....ress_in_c.html



People are unhappy with the rumored length over on the Detroit page.
I can't blame them, really. I'm not sure Howard has done enough yet to justify a longterm extension, and it also puts a road block in front of Petr Mrazek who has done nothing but excel and win at every level he's been at.

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Here is a link for you Caley:

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....ress_in_c.html



People are unhappy with the rumored length over on the Detroit page.

Per: Ansar Khan over on MLive a very good Wings source.
I like Howie, but I wouldn't want to see any more than 4, 5 years max.

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I can't blame them, really. I'm not sure Howard has done enough yet to justify a longterm extension, and it also puts a road block in front of Petr Mrazek who has done nothing but excel and win at every level he's been at.
Yup, you have pretty much nailed the complaints. A lot of people are hoping for closer to Niemi money or Halak. Also with Mrazek anything over 5 is way to long really four is as far as I would go.

For what it is worth Jimmy does have some stunning stats as far as where he ranks all-time with goalies of over 200 starts, granted he is just barely over it but I think it was eighth in a couple of categories. Plus the way things are trending right now, there might not be a playoff evaluation in Detroit.

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Hmm... I would've thought everlasting Detroit discount instead of $5mil per.

Or is that supposed to be a discount?


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Wow is Howard really worth 5M? That is so un-Detroit like to pay a goalie 5M.

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Wow is Howard really worth 5M? That is so un-Detroit like to pay a goalie 5M.
In the cap era yes, keep in mind they paid Cujo 8 million and Hasek big bucks once upon a time but that was in a different world. A little surprising to see them give him that much. Probably don't want to lose both him and Filppula in the off-season though.

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$5 million would be drastic overpayment for Howard if that's the money they were seriously thinking.

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Wow is Howard really worth 5M? That is so un-Detroit like to pay a goalie 5M.
Very much so. He's played extremely well for us and is left our to dry on a regular basis (last years playoffs being a prime example). While he's not very good on breakaways, he's gotten away from letting in the untimely softy, and is normally money in the shootout.

I'd have no problem giving him 4-5.5M x 4-6 years. Mrazek is in the AHL for at least the next year, depending on how Gustavsson does he may be resigned for a year, so that's 3 years in the AHL, or in year 3 he's the backup. Year 4 he is backup or 1B, year 5 he's 1A.

But Mrazek won't be the starter until he unseats Howard like Howard did do Osgood.

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$5 million would be drastic overpayment for Howard if that's the money they were seriously thinking.
Drastic? Really?

Especially under a large cap. Bryzgalov was given $6.6M. Huet made more than that.

Howard is a solid goalie. On the UFA market, he might be able to get Bryz money. I think $5M per, when the cap is more than likely going to be $70M+ in the coming years, is fair. It's fair under a $64.3M cap, IMO.

The length is a little scary, though.

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Saw it on the TSN ticker, no link.

Honestly, if I were Detroit, I'd be inclined to see how Howard looks in the playoffs first.
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Yep clearly all Howard's fault, not like the Wings have been terrible in their last three playoff appearances or anything.

Can we trade you to a different team, because I don't think you have ever said a positive thing about the Wings ever.

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5 million seems crazy but if he hit open market he would get 5 million easy with the likes of Tor and NJ going after him... As for the "hometown discount" He's at the age were this is going to be his big pay-day.

Say he hit UFA what teams would go after him? Tor-NJ-NYI?

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Not crazy about the length. I'd prefer three years, and see how Mrazek develops.

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Lol, the arguments for why Howard doesn't deserve $5M are laughable.

In today's day and age, that's low. Starting goalies are few and far between, and if you don't have one, you're ****ed.

If Howard doesn't resign Detroit has the choice of going with Gustavsson, trading for somebody, which will cost a pretty penny assets wise, or buy somebody on free agency, and seeing as how there are only two other noteworthy goalies that are potentially UFA's next year, that's not happening.

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Not crazy about the length. I'd prefer three years, and see how Mrazek develops.
Length doesn't surprise me. If Mrazek develops well Holland is going to hold onto both him and Howard for as long as possible. Detroit loves having two goalies capable of being starters.

And if Mrazek develops well enough in 3 or four years, that leaves Howard with 2-3 years left on his deal, and a $5M/year 3-4 years down the road, he'll be a bargain.

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$5 million is not an overpayment for Howard. Anyone seen some of these contracts goaltenders have?

He's been a solid goaltender for Detroit, he's not old and he's been their MVP this season, no doubt. He's more than capable of performing in the playoffs also. Im not sure I'd really want to give him 6 years but if that's what they have to do, they really have no choice. What are the other options really?

He would get more than that on the open market from the Leafs especially.

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Whatever happened to giving players contracts they DESERVE?

Realistically he's a 4 mil goalie that shouldn't be given ANYTHING past 4 years. He isn't that great. Mrazek played two games and already showed signs of being a future quality NHL goaltender. The guy has been a stud at every level, and is an AHL all star in his first season. Why make this commitment now?

I'll be livid if this deal really happens, especially with Filppula and Brunner still needing to be signed.

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4x4 is a fine contract for him.

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Whatever happened to giving players contracts they DESERVE?

Realistically he's a 4 mil goalie that shouldn't be given ANYTHING past 4 years. He isn't that great. Mrazek played two games and already showed signs of being a future quality NHL goaltender. The guy has been a stud at every level, and is an AHL all star in his first season. Why make this commitment now?

I'll be livid if this deal really happens, especially with Filppula and Brunner still needing to be signed.

Who are you to decide he deserves 4m? most wings fans seem to be in agreement that 5m is about right, the length is just too long. Face it there are teams out there that would snatch up a UFA Howard at 5m per season in a heart beat.

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Who are you to decide he deserves 4m? most wings fans seem to be in agreement that 5m is about right, the length is just too long. Face it there are teams out there that would snatch up a UFA Howard at 5m per season in a heart beat.
I think teams with a shaky goalie problem wouldn't hesitate to give him 6M over 3 years. Just like higher cap hits will be there for Forwards & defence the price will go up everywhere.


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Who are you to decide he deserves 4m? most wings fans seem to be in agreement that 5m is about right, the length is just too long. Face it there are teams out there that would snatch up a UFA Howard at 5m per season in a heart beat.
New Jersey and Toronto would have a death match over him.

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As a Wings fan I would be ok giving him 5M a year but the years need to be 3 or 4.

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As a Wings fan I would be ok giving him 5M a year but the years need to be 3 or 4.
Meh. If Mrazek is ready and we wanted to trade him, his cap hit (Around $5M, though it wouldn't surprise me if it's a bit lower) will be a bargain by that time.

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