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03-14-2013, 11:21 PM
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Byfuglien to Detroit or Philadelphia

During the game they spoke about Detroit and Philadelphia being very interested in Byfuglien and it made me think...

What could Winnipeg get for him from those teams?

Detroit definitely has much better prospects

Would you do Nyquist/Brendan Smith and Mrazek? Those are Detroits top 3 prospects.

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03-14-2013, 11:23 PM
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An arm, a leg and maybe part of a body...
That or Buff's weight in gold

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just cant see the Jets trading Buff if this team keeps up the run its on right now.

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Teams would have to so over pay for Buff to make it worth it to trade him at this point... so that won't happen.

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Teams would have to so over pay for Buff to make it worth it to trade him at this point... so that won't happen.
Would it be overpay if Detroit offered those 3 I mentioned?

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03-14-2013, 11:31 PM
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Not gonna happen.

Packages centered around 2 Schenns, Voracek or Simmonds alomg with Couturier or an extended Brunner plus could be starting points though.

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Not gonna happen.

Packages centered around 2 Schenns, Voracek or Simmonds alomg with Couturier or an extended Brunner plus could be starting points though.
Right... Byfuglien is worth 2 Schens and a Coutourier..

I wish you were the Flyers GM I would do that deal all day long.

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03-14-2013, 11:34 PM
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Why would we trade Buff?
If we were falling out of contention I MIGHT understand, but this time is on a roll. Buff has been GREAT this year.

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Not going to happen, he is far too valuable to the Jets.

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Right... Byfuglien is worth 2 Schens and a Coutourier..

I wish you were the Flyers GM I would do that deal all day long.
Worded that weird:

2 Schenns

Or

Voracek and Couturier

Or

Simmonds and Couturier

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Why would we trade Buff?
If we were falling out of contention I MIGHT understand, but this time is on a roll. Buff has been GREAT this year.
Because trading a player like him who could get the team 3 possible top end players would benefit the team going forward. It would add to the young core this team already has. If you are always looking to improve and the return is too good to be true, do it even if this team is goign to make the playoffs. Its one thing to be the #1 seed and make a trade, its another to be #8 or so and just squeeze in.

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Would it be overpay if Detroit offered those 3 I mentioned?
Yep, and conversely it would probably hurt us in the short term. Doubtful that either GM would be amenable to that.

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I don't see it happening. Detroit is very patient/safe with their prospects and Holmgren has mastered the buy-low sell-high approach. Byfuglien's improvement defensively this year has definitely raised his value significantly, even if trade board posters are completely oblivious to that (admit it, we don't watch other teams that much).

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Worded that weird:

2 Schenns

Or

Voracek and Couturier

Or

Simmonds and Couturier
I'd take package number 2. I don't see why Philly would gut their area of strength (skilled depth at forward) for D when they could use a defensive defenseman first and foremost - their PP and offense are fine without a great PMD. I also think a lot of their issues are coaching related. Buff would put up a million points in their offense-first run-and-gun style with the talent they have but that doesn't mean it necessarily helps them.

In terms of value I think those are the type of overpayment it'd take. Again, I don't think Philly makes that trade or needs to.

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I'm sure many teams in the league are interested in Buff. That doesn't mean he's getting moved.

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Would it be overpay if Detroit offered those 3 I mentioned?
Absolutly not! All three of the prospects that you mentioned have proven next to nothing at the NHL level thus far and may never do anything close to what Buff has done. A trade like that is what prienial rebuilding teams do, trade quality for magic beans. Any trade for Buff would need to atleast include 1 young established impact playernas well as having a bluechip prospect attached as a starting point for it to be worth it for us. Quite frankly im not all that keen to move him unless a team overpays substantially.

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If Detroit wants to talk about a guy named Pavel Datsyuk I'd be all ears. Not that it's a good long term move though for us... (unless he ages like his buddy Lindstrom did, and is still golden at 42) I just love the guy.

No interest IMO in any of those trade's involving Coutourierierier or however it's spelled. If we wanted a 3rd line center who was defensively solid but not putting up the offensive numbers everyone feels he should, we would scratch someone and put Burmistrov back in the lineup. Cout. has done nothing to impress me, and I don't feel he's worth half of what everyone likes to think he is.

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I wouldn't trade Buff for all of King Midas' silver.

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If Detroit and Philadelphia have scouts at our games they're looking at guys we'd actually trade. Any trade for Buff better involve names like Stamkos, Crosby or Tavares. Maybe a nice Eberle/Schultz combo. But that's unrealistic, those teams don't want to move those players.

I'd say Buff is one of 4 or so Jets that should be considered untouchable. I'd add Ladd, Wheeler and Bogo to that list too. Maybe Enstrom, but we're playing great without him at the moment, so maybe he could go for the right price.

I would say Hainsey is the most likely to be moved. Especially in the case that Trouba signs his ELC after the CCHA playoffs are finished. I wonder what he could do in the NHL playoffs after the performance he put on in the WJC..

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During the game they spoke about Detroit and Philadelphia being very interested in Byfuglien and it made me think...

What could Winnipeg get for him from those teams?

Detroit definitely has much better prospects

Would you do Nyquist/Brendan Smith and Mrazek? Those are Detroits top 3 prospects.


I think at this time of the year(trade deadline) media outlets start spearding rumors, hopefully they don't trade buff.

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Because trading a player like him who could get the team 3 possible top end players would benefit the team going forward. It would add to the young core this team already has. If you are always looking to improve and the return is too good to be true, do it even if this team is goign to make the playoffs. Its one thing to be the #1 seed and make a trade, its another to be #8 or so and just squeeze in.
I don't subscribe to the idea that a playoff team should trade their most impactful player for prospects. If I'm trading Buff I want an impact rosters player coming to Winnipeg. Getting prospects is nice, but the likelihood that any of them reach Buff's level is small. Heck the likelihood that all three reach their potential isn't particularly high.
It would take such an overpayment AFAIC to get Buff from us that I don't think any trade is feasible. Our asking price is too high, as it should be.

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An arm, a leg and maybe part of a body...
That or Buff's weight in gold
Buff's weight in gold, heavy as he is, is only worth about 6 or 7 million. No deal!

(yes, I calculated)

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Buff's weight in gold, heavy as he is, is only worth about 6 or 7 million. No deal!

(yes, I calculated)

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Buff's weight in gold, heavy as he is, is only worth about 6 or 7 million. No deal!

(yes, I calculated)
Maybe 10 off season buffs would come close, but I would still pass, he's going nowhere.

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