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Hypothetically speaking...could Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin or Stamkos break Gretzkys...

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03-15-2013, 08:09 AM
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ummm..no. Probably not

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I guess Stamkos may have a shot at goals since he averages over 40 a season, but it's a huuuuuge stretch.

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The points record is in no danger of falling for a long, long time.

Stamkos has a realistic shot at the goals record if he stays healthy and consistent, and is as productive in his late 30s as Brett Hull was, but of course it's going to be extremely hard.

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It would actually be an average of 44.7 goals per game for someone playing 29 seasons.

If a player would try to break the goals record he would probably be playing for a long time, maybe until around 43 like Selanne.

This would mean they'd need to average 35.76 goals per game, which is definitely possible, the player would just have to be a generational talent that gets really lucky with injuries.
I imagine this would do the trick!

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Unless there are systematic changes to the way the game is currently played, I don't see anyone coming close to Gretzky's' career point total. A more interesting question might be do any of the four gentleman in the thread title have a shot at top 10 forwards of all time. For a quick perspective, take a look at the resumes of Beliveau, Richard, Bobby Hull, Morenz, Mikita, and Lafleur.

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Maybe all of them combined.

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I imagine this would do the trick!
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Stamkos for the goal record is the only one that is worth considering, IMHO, Hopefully he doesn't lose any time to major injury and always has highly capable line mates. I'd love to see him do it. In fact, as long as he isn't scoring on the Pens, I'd love to see him go off for a few years and set himself up to run at 1000 (as unlikely as that is).

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LOL!

On another note, I wish there was a Wayne Gretzky award for assists.
My team has a most assists award, we call it the chisel award, from the term chiselling assists from the ref

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Regarding career totals, I ran some sample numbers a while back



Assuming he stays healthy, I think those are actually fairly conservative numbers
That's still 1000 points behind Gretzky's record.

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I don't think his totals will be touched given the current NHL but a lot of others are in reach, here's a few I think could be broken:
  • Most goals, one period: 4
  • Most overtime assists, career: 15
  • Most 40-or-more goal seasons: 12

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That's still 1000 points behind Gretzky's record.
Yes, I'm aware of that.

Gretzky's point record will never be broken without significant rule changes. The current culture of the game simply doesn't allow that kind of scoring.

However, the #2 spot currently held by Messier is certainly something that isn't unbreakable, nor is Gretzky's record of having more assists than anyone else has points.

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03-15-2013, 09:22 AM
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Not in terms of points but I'd argue that top players today are "better" than the top players of yesteryear

Lidstrom was a better hockey player than Orr; however Orr was much more dominant because the quality of competition back then was pathetic compared to what it is today.

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I am one of Crosbys biggest fans but there's no way he'll beat Gretzky's record. I don't think that record will be beaten in the current era as there is a lower GAA compared to when Gretzky played in the 80's and 90's. If someone could convert that to today's games then Crosby would probably be able to hit 1900+ but even I think that would be a push.

Right now Crosby has 656 points in 462 games. If Crosby was to play the rest of this season and get say, another 25 points he'd finish this season with 681 points in 482 games.

2857-681 = 2176.

For Crosby to reach that before he retires (at say 40 years old - so 15 seasons left with his last one being when he's 40) he'd have to average 145 points a season.

Even for Crosby that's not possible. Personally, I think he'll finish with around 1900-2000 points.

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Yes, I'm aware of that.

Gretzky's point record will never be broken without significant rule changes. The current culture of the game simply doesn't allow that kind of scoring.

However, the #2 spot currently held by Messier is certainly something that isn't unbreakable, nor is Gretzky's record of having more assists than anyone else has points.
ok... but neither of those two things are even records. The second statement points to how unbelievable it is that someone could even touch his point totals.

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03-15-2013, 09:47 AM
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The goal record is the only one I think will be broken some day. 895 goals is possible for someone to score, but it probably won't be any of the players who play now.

I see 3 players that probably will score more than 750 goals during their career and that is Kovi, Ovi and Stammer. One of them might get over 800 goals, if they stay healthy until they are 42-43 years old and there are no more lockouts. But only time will tell what happens...

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There is a better chance that all the posters here win the lottery than someone beating Gretzky's points record.

A player has to play about 1500 games at 1.9 points per game.

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Its possible.... If you combine all 4 of there points!

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If you take Crosby and replace Gretzky for him in every game Gretzky played, Crosby shatters all of his records, blindfolded, with his dryer chained to his left ankle
I am sure this post is meant as sarcasm, at least I hope it is. But serious posts like this......

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Not in terms of points but I'd argue that top players today are "better" than the top players of yesteryear

Lidstrom was a better hockey player than Orr; however Orr was much more dominant because the quality of competition back then was pathetic compared to what it is today.
Of course Lidstrom is better, in a raw sense, than Orr. Crosby is also better, in a raw sense, than Gretzky was in the 80s. They have had the benefit of significant advances in training, nutrition, and equipment.

Athletes of today are simply bigger, stronger, faster, and better than athletes of yesterday, that's how things work.

There's no point in comparing them in a raw sense, the only meaningful way is to compare them to their peers. And in that comparison Orr is miles ahead of every other defenseman and Gretzky is miles ahead of any other forwards except Lemieux.

Crosby is simply not on that level of dominance.

In the last 3 seasons combined Crosby is 35% ahead of his nearest competition (Malkin) in terms of PPG. Crosby's APG is higher than everyone else's PPG except Malkin, Stamkos, St. Louis, and D. Sedin. That's obviously incredibly dominant.

However lets look at Gretzky. From 81-82 until 85-86 Gretzky averaged 2.63 points per game. His nearest competition (Mike Bossy) Averaged 1.63 points per game. That's a 61% margin. His assists per game was at 1.68 so even if he didn't score a single goal he still would have had the highest PPG.

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I'll be impressed if any of them put up 90 points at age 36.

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I am sure this post is meant as sarcasm, at least I hope it is. But serious posts like this......
The blindfolded part is obviously sarcasm, but the point of swapping Gretzky for Crosby isn't, because it's true. Crosby is a better hockey player than Gretzky, sorry but it's true and Gretzky admits it

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I don't think his totals will be touched given the current NHL but a lot of others are in reach, here's a few I think could be broken:
  • Most goals, one period: 4
  • Most overtime assists, career: 15
  • Most 40-or-more goal seasons: 12
I'm surprised someone hasn't gotten more overtime assists.

Edit: Just looked it up. Messier has 18.

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you need 50 goals a year for 20 seasons to get his goals record
you need on average 140-150 points a year over the same 20 years to get the points record.

the answer is no
I'd say Stamkos has a miniscule chance of catching the goal record, but that's the only one.

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