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03-15-2013, 01:50 PM
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Lidstrom had 60 pts and was a +36 in 80 games as a rookie, but lost to Bure who had 60 pts in 65 games.

Jackman beat Zetterberg as a defensive defenceman. He had a great rookie season, but I think the young, hard nosed Canadian had a little bit of bias on his side.

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03-15-2013, 02:23 PM
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He'd be my pick, but he won't get votes because of the points.

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03-15-2013, 02:28 PM
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Huberdeau
Schultz
Conacher
Yakupov
Tarasenko
Hamilton
Foligno

Sorry, but Brodin isn't even on the radar, while Granlund has been a BIG disappointment for Calder, considering many had him coming in as the favorite.


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03-15-2013, 02:32 PM
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Huberdeau
Schultz
Conacher
Yakupov
Tarasenko
Hamilton
Foligno

Sorry, but Brodin isn't even on the radar, while Granlund has been a BIG disappointment for Calder, considering many had him coming in as the favorite.


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Why would Yakupov be ahead of Brodin (besides hype) ?

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03-15-2013, 02:33 PM
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Im not saying he´s the frontrunner for the Calder, but it seems like everyone is shortselling the kid. Playing top-end minutes and being extremely defensively sound.
Sometimes it feels like almost every trophy is way too much focused on points.
I think Bob McKenzie picked him as his favourite rookie D on The Quiz sometime in the last week or two. So he is definitely getting recognized.

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03-15-2013, 02:35 PM
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Well, apparently the only way to win trophies is based on points. So I doubt he wins

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03-15-2013, 02:36 PM
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He shouldn't be playing in the NHL, he's a defensive Defenseman.

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03-15-2013, 02:38 PM
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He shouldn't be playing in the NHL, he's a defensive Defenseman.
He think he will end up being a pretty good point producer. If his goal last night is an indication of what he can do offensively, watch out.

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03-15-2013, 02:40 PM
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I'd be surprised if Brodin even gets any votes.

Shattenkirk had 43 points as a rookie playing second pairing minutes, and his name wasn't anywhere the discussions.
He'll get a vote. Russo has a hockey boner for him(along with everyone else in Minnesota, myself included), so he'll get that vote

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03-15-2013, 02:47 PM
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Last defenseman to do it put up 48 points. There's your standard.

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03-15-2013, 02:50 PM
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Not even close.

Brodin played the same style in the AHL as well. He's simply unreal.
And in Färjestad and WJC.

I thought he would be ready this year but had no idea he would solid in top pairing.. The games I've seen him play, he really looks Lidström-lite out there.


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03-15-2013, 02:56 PM
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And in Brynäs and WJC.

I thought he would be ready this year but had no idea he would solid in top pairing.. The games I've seen him play, he really looks Lidström-lite out there.
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03-15-2013, 03:00 PM
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03-15-2013, 03:25 PM
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Not even close.

Brodin played the same style in the AHL as well. He's simply unreal.
Playing with an all-star partner does help a rookie shine as evidenced when Barrett Jackman won the Calder playing beside MacInnis. Jackman's level of play regressed after Big Al retired. Pure coincidence?

Brodin has looked good so far, but until one sees him play independently of Suter for numerous games it will be difficult to assess his individual value.

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03-15-2013, 03:30 PM
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The Calder is about flash and hype. Unless there are no good offensive players out there, defensive players don`t get any love. It doesn`t mean anything, especially when flashier, more hyped players like Huberdeau and J. Schultz are doing well. It doesn`t mean he`s any worse than them, it`s just all about hype.

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03-15-2013, 04:50 PM
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I voted him second in a recent poll. Every time I've seen him he's been the bee's knees, ankles and feet...just a terrific player.

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03-15-2013, 06:28 PM
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Forget the Calder and move right to the Norris. I played defense when young, so I tend to focus on the back-end. Amazing what he does at his age. Particularly the little things the casual fan may not notice.

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03-15-2013, 06:36 PM
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Ridiculous the amount of overhype. He's not in the discussion because he shouldn't be. Great young player but not the NHLs best rookie.

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03-15-2013, 06:45 PM
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Is Justin Faulk eligible? Carolina's one. I've seen him a few times with great ability and have heard that he's playing excellent on a consistent basis.

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03-15-2013, 06:56 PM
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Is Justin Faulk eligible? Carolina's one. I've seen him a few times with great ability and have heard that he's playing excellent on a consistent basis.
This is his second season. He played 66 games last year.

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03-15-2013, 07:01 PM
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Ridiculous the amount of overhype. He's not in the discussion because he shouldn't be. Great young player but not the NHLs best rookie.
At least people aren't throwing out Lidstrom comparisons like they were in another thread.

He's really not even close to the Calder discussion. He's playing plenty of minutes but isn't putting up any points. Yet for some reason we're being told he's some elite puck mover with an awesome shot.

He hasn't put up numbers anywhere he's played, it's not his play style. You watch him and he's not making great breakout passes like true elite puck movers do. Doesn't find open players that often. Very conservative. His shot is good but let's not pretend he's a future 15+ goal scorer.

Very good rookie season, certainly not a Calder contender though. Jackman put up more points while filling in for one of the greatest defensemen of this generation (Pronger).

I don't see how Brodin has been much better if at all than the other top rookie defensemen this season, Schultz, Dillon, Hamilton, Muzzin etc.

And the comment about Suter is apt. Defensemen with confidence look awesome, but when they lose their partner often they don't look the same. Jackman and MacInnis, Niskanen and Zubov, an example in the OHL is Ryan Ellis and Nick Ebert. Many other examples.

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03-15-2013, 07:13 PM
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This is his second season. He played 66 games last year.
Thank you. I wasn't sure what the criteria was.

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03-15-2013, 07:29 PM
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At least people aren't throwing out Lidstrom comparisons like they were in another thread.

He's really not even close to the Calder discussion. He's playing plenty of minutes but isn't putting up any points. Yet for some reason we're being told he's some elite puck mover with an awesome shot.

He hasn't put up numbers anywhere he's played, it's not his play style. You watch him and he's not making great breakout passes like true elite puck movers do. Doesn't find open players that often. Very conservative. His shot is good but let's not pretend he's a future 15+ goal scorer.

Very good rookie season, certainly not a Calder contender though. Jackman put up more points while filling in for one of the greatest defensemen of this generation (Pronger).

I don't see how Brodin has been much better if at all than the other top rookie defensemen this season, Schultz, Dillon, Hamilton, Muzzin etc.

And the comment about Suter is apt. Defensemen with confidence look awesome, but when they lose their partner often they don't look the same. Jackman and MacInnis, Niskanen and Zubov, an example in the OHL is Ryan Ellis and Nick Ebert. Many other examples.
The bolded is 100% false.

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Kid has a sick snap-shot...

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The bolded is 100% false.
Absolutely... it was spoken like someone who's never seen the kid play!

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