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03-15-2013, 08:52 PM
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I don't see how Brodin has been much better if at all than the other top rookie defensemen this season, Schultz, Dillon, Hamilton, Muzzin etc.
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It seems to me that points mater more than anything to some people. There is so much more to hockey than numbers. A lot of things that defenseman do don't have any statistics and can't be measured like goals and assists. IMO he should definitely be in contention for the award.

The plays that this young man is making on a nightly basis are just great. What makes it more incredible is that Brodin is only 19 years old.

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03-15-2013, 09:14 PM
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Ridiculous the amount of overhype. He's not in the discussion because he shouldn't be. Great young player but not the NHLs best rookie.
Who's better seriously?

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03-15-2013, 09:33 PM
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The bolded is 100% false.
Crap I forget I can't critique the next Lidstrom.

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03-15-2013, 09:45 PM
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Crap I forget I can't critique the next Lidstrom.
No it's just Brodin might be better at finding guys and making the first pass than he is defensively

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03-15-2013, 09:53 PM
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Brodin probably has zero chance of even breaking the top 5.

Being competent and effective aren't what the award is about. Brodin's point totals are small, and he doesn't punish people physically.

Wild fans should just be happy they got a 19 year old who plays 1st pairing minute NOW, with the potential to become much more as he matures.

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03-15-2013, 09:57 PM
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Brodin probably has zero chance of even breaking the top 5.

Being competent and effective aren't what the award is about. Brodin's point totals are small, and he doesn't punish people physically.

Wild fans should just be happy they got a 19 year old who plays 1st pairing minute NOW, with the potential to become much more as he matures.
Forgot that "Big Hits" were a stats category, thanks for reminding me that.

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Lidstrom had 60 pts and was a +36 in 80 games as a rookie, but lost to Bure who had 60 pts in 65 games.

Jackman beat Zetterberg as a defensive defenceman. He had a great rookie season, but I think the young, hard nosed Canadian had a little bit of bias on his side.
That seems mind blowing a plus 36 defenseman losing to a forward with the same number of points in 15 more games.

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Forgot that "Big Hits" were a stats category, thanks for reminding me that.
It's all about flash kid.

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Crap I forget I can't critique the next Lidstrom.
You can critique him all you want with accurate statements. Yours, however, wasn't.

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Brodin probably has zero chance of even breaking the top 5.

Being competent and effective aren't what the award is about. Brodin's point totals are small, and he doesn't punish people physically.

Wild fans should just be happy they got a 19 year old who plays 1st pairing minute NOW, with the potential to become much more as he matures.
Yup. I couldn't care less if he even gets one vote.

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03-16-2013, 12:11 AM
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No it's just Brodin might be better at finding guys and making the first pass than he is defensively
Bull. If he was, he'd produce. Suter has a much better breakout, but the way some fans talk it's like Brodin is twice the player Suter is. If Brodin was so good offensively, why has he never produced at any level?

Brodin is a great player and doing things most don't at his age but he's not even close to as good as Wild fans say he is. He's not a top 2 defensemen yet and he never will be Lidstrom. This is hype unbecoming of a team with such few fans on these boards.

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03-16-2013, 01:48 AM
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Brodin shouldn't be a serious Calder contender until he shows a two-way game. Can't believe the amount of hype for simple defensive plays that the kid has been known for since before he was drafted. It's like fans are shocked that he can play the same good defensive game in the NHL like he could in one of the best pro leagues in the world. Well duh, of course he can. It's what he was drafted #10 for. It's the aggressive, offensive side of his game that's unproven, and he's yet to show much in that category. The goal he just scored was a nice play and show the offensive skill he has. But he doesn't have the offensive mindset yet (and maybe never will).

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The bolded is 100% false.
More like 50% false, 50% true. Brodin is nowhere near Ryan Suter's level. Suter can skate the puck up ice and lead the offense with passing and skating. We've seen almost none of that from Brodin. He can play a sheltered, simple, defensive zone game right now alongside a Norris contender.

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I hope he gets an award and the Preds offer sheet him to max contract and we get our #1 pair back, but suterless.

Weber-Brodin does look good.

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I hope he gets an award and the Preds offer sheet him to max contract and we get our #1 pair back, but suterless.

Weber-Brodin does look good.
That is true, you really could use a real #1 pair. Preds look like a borderline AHL team now.

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That is true, you really could use a real #1 pair. Preds look like a borderline AHL team now.
Trying to jumpstart fan rivalry for next season already?

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Funny thing is I'm dead serious. Wild have serious money in the dynamic duo they got over the summer. I think Preds could sneak in there in the future if he grows like Josi grows. Besides, you do have Suter now.

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03-16-2013, 03:49 AM
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Playing with an all-star partner does help a rookie shine as evidenced when Barrett Jackman won the Calder playing beside MacInnis. Jackman's level of play regressed after Big Al retired. Pure coincidence?

Brodin has looked good so far, but until one sees him play independently of Suter for numerous games it will be difficult to assess his individual value.
He's been separated from Suter a number of times so far, and looks just as good.

Suter was also not doing well at all, playing with a number of our other d, then they stuck Brodin with him, which was when his game completeyl turned around. It might be somewhat a coincidence, but this kid really is polished.

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He would get some consideration, if only the awards were given by their actual descriptions, instead of always making the sexy pick. What Brodin has done in his first season, is far more impressive than what for instance Huberdeau has done.

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At least people aren't throwing out Lidstrom comparisons like they were in another thread.

He's really not even close to the Calder discussion. He's playing plenty of minutes but isn't putting up any points. Yet for some reason we're being told he's some elite puck mover with an awesome shot.

He hasn't put up numbers anywhere he's played, it's not his play style. You watch him and he's not making great breakout passes like true elite puck movers do. Doesn't find open players that often. Very conservative. His shot is good but let's not pretend he's a future 15+ goal scorer.

Very good rookie season, certainly not a Calder contender though. Jackman put up more points while filling in for one of the greatest defensemen of this generation (Pronger).

I don't see how Brodin has been much better if at all than the other top rookie defensemen this season, Schultz, Dillon, Hamilton, Muzzin etc.

And the comment about Suter is apt. Defensemen with confidence look awesome, but when they lose their partner often they don't look the same. Jackman and MacInnis, Niskanen and Zubov, an example in the OHL is Ryan Ellis and Nick Ebert. Many other examples.
You've obviously never seen him play, outside of a clip or two. Your post only proves this.

If Schultz is worthy of being considered, so is Brodin. He's not going to get it because the Calder is all about points, but if you rate Schultz that high, a reasonable person would rate Brodin that high as well. They both have the same amount of even strength points btw. Brodin doesn't really get pp time either.

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Why does everyone need a trophy?

He'll get recognized sooner than you think - or he may regress.

The Calder trophy is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to winning a Stanley Cup. And that IS Minny's goal, right?

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Bull. If he was, he'd produce. Suter has a much better breakout, but the way some fans talk it's like Brodin is twice the player Suter is. If Brodin was so good offensively, why has he never produced at any level?

Brodin is a great player and doing things most don't at his age but he's not even close to as good as Wild fans say he is. He's not a top 2 defensemen yet and he never will be Lidstrom. This is hype unbecoming of a team with such few fans on these boards.
Boy, you're not biased at all are you? And to knock the amount of fans, nice

Because he plays for the Wild, and there are not many fans of the Wild, then he must be completely overhyped.

Again, you have never watched him play. No Wild fan has ever said he is better than Suter, let alone twice the player Suter is, nice strawman...

No Wild fan has ever said he will be Lidstrom either, again, another strawman. You're right that he never will be Lidstrom though, he is a 19 year old rookie who is just starting out his career. His name is not Lidstrom.

He has done a pretty good job as our number 2. So you are just wrong there. We also have pretty good d this year as well, so you have no argument.

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Brodin is not going to get serious consideration for the Calder, and that is just fine. There are a number of other great rookies out there who will be much more easily compared to one-another, generally they will be forwards with high points, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Brodin is young and will grow into an amazing player, barring injuries. That's all that matters. And yes, we would love for him to be a part of our Cup winning team

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Brodin is not going to get serious consideration for the Calder, and that is just fine. There are a number of other great rookies out there who will be much more easily compared to one-another, generally they will be forwards with high points, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Brodin is young and will grow into an amazing player, barring injuries. That's all that matters. And yes, we would love for him to be a part of our Cup winning team
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Brodin is not going to get serious consideration for the Calder, and that is just fine. There are a number of other great rookies out there who will be much more easily compared to one-another, generally they will be forwards with high points, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Brodin is young and will grow into an amazing player, barring injuries. That's all that matters. And yes, we would love for him to be a part of our Cup winning team
Of the 6 or 7 Wild games I have seen this season, I have been really impressed with
Brodin. Nice pull, Minnesota.

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