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03-15-2013, 12:03 PM
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Ladd's emergence: what happened?

They say you draft a player to see what he can do in 5 years. In Ladd's case it took closer to 7 years. And maybe a bit more to make sure it wasn't a flash in the pan.

How can a Top-4 draft pick take so long to develop offensively? Usually when you wait 5+ years and the offense isn't there at the NHL level, it isn't there forever...

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They say you draft a player to see what he can do in 5 years. In Ladd's case it took closer to 7 years. And maybe a bit more to make sure it wasn't a flash in the pan.

How can a Top-4 draft pick take so long to develop offensively? Usually when you wait 5+ years and the offense isn't there at the NHL level, it isn't there forever...
He has scored 20+ goals for like 3 or 4 seasons in a row,

He was never drafted to be a sniper

This year he is just beasting (+ high shot %)

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2 years ago he had 29 goals and 59 points. Not every top-4 pick is a Crosby. 60 points for that pick is respectable.

No idea how he made the jump to PPG though.

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This guy is slowly becoming one of my most favourite players. When he's not parking his ass right in front of the net (and staying there), he plays hard and physical. He went full beast mode in the third period last night, flattened a few of the rangers. One of the most underrated captains in the league, imo

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It's called playing your role. He had a role in Chicago and he played it well. Now he has been given a different role in Winnipeg, and as such, has stepped up to the plate.

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Guy never really got a shot in the top six... He is, and now he's producing. Not a big surprise.

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Drafting players isn't a science. Don't treat it like one.

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It's called playing your role. He had a role in Chicago and he played it well. Now he has been given a different role in Winnipeg, and as such, has stepped up to the plate.
agreed. is it really a surprise that someone playing more minutes with more power play time and arguably better linemates is scoring more than they used to?

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Drafting players isn't a science. Don't treat it like one.
What do you mean? It's purely coincidence? Prophecy?

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Added responsibility in Atlanta. He had an off-season last year, but he's grown with his responsibilities.

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Circumstances?

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It's called playing your role. He had a role in Chicago and he played it well. Now he has been given a different role in Winnipeg, and as such, has stepped up to the plate.
Yup. He was the one piece I didn't want to see the Hawks lose after the cup, but it's even more obvious now that he was never going to stay for long. He has top line talent and deserves to play in a place where he can be a star.

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Big fan of Andrew Ladd. Seems like he is a prototypical leader and the perfect choice as captain for the Jets.

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They say you draft a player to see what he can do in 5 years. In Ladd's case it took closer to 7 years. And maybe a bit more to make sure it wasn't a flash in the pan.

How can a Top-4 draft pick take so long to develop offensively? Usually when you wait 5+ years and the offense isn't there at the NHL level, it isn't there forever...
It's not like Ladd didn't accomplish a lot during his first five years. Two cups with two different franchises is nothing to sneeze at.

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What do you mean? It's purely coincidence? Prophecy?
Where did I say that?

I said it isn't a science because it isn't.

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It's called playing your role. He had a role in Chicago and he played it well. Now he has been given a different role in Winnipeg, and as such, has stepped up to the plate.
This.

In Chicago, Ladd was buried underneath Toews, Kane, Hossa, and Sharp.

Not so much the case in Winnipeg.

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He's a glorified third-liner.

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He's never going to be a player that drives the offence on any team, he doesn't do that for us. What he is especially adept at is contributing night in and night out as the complimentary player to the skill players.

He is scoring tons of goals around the net and leading our team by example with his physical play more lately.

He'll slow his scoring pace a bit at some point, but he's not wasting any of his opportunities that he's getting so he deserves all of the praise he's been getting lately.

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Emergence? You mean the guy who almost scored 30 goals the last two seasons?

I've said before on many occasions that had Ladd hit 30 goals those last two years everyone would be falling over themselves praising him for his tough style of play, intangibles , and goal-scoring, but 29 goals doesn't get the same recognition.

To be fair, he's pretty much the same player he was last year. He works the dirty areas of the ice and has a great release but his puckhandling and speed have always been average at best. The increased productivity is a result of Wheeler stepping up (only part way through last year - giving them a full productive line) and an unsustainable high shooting percentage.

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What do you mean? It's purely coincidence? Prophecy?
Calculated crap shoot is the proper terminology.

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Ladd played where Carolina wanted him, and won a Cup...He played where the Hawks wanted him, and won a Cup...Ladd does whatever it takes to win...He puts up solid numbers wherever he plays...He's a Winner.

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I also like that despite winning two cups on two different teams, he still has that drive to keep winning and get better. Plays hard, doesn't rest on past accomplishments. Scoring at a career-best pace right now. Great player.

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Certainly leading by example, no Captain in the NHL has more goals.

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Ladd > Toews.

Maybe... he is pretty close already... but he gets no attention from the media.

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I agree with the view that it's more a case of a talented player being put into a role that allows everyone to see how good he is (as opposed to a player who has somehow managed to raise his game to another level).

This discussion makes me feel a bit nostalgic for that cup-winning Blackhawks team (on which Andrew Ladd played a key role) even though I'm a Canucks fan.

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