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03-16-2013, 11:24 AM
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All encompassing value of Mike Ribeiro thread

Now I don't make trade proposals often for a reason, so I'm not going to throw together some ridiculously bad offer and waste all of your time.

Ribeiro to the Hawks is something that, to me, makes a lot of sense. The Hawks could use an upgrade on the 2nd line (center), a boost to the PP, and a fixture at 3rd shooter in the SO would be greatly needed as well. Our top 6 has taken a hit since Sharp has been out, sure, but an upgrade would just take it to the next level. The Caps could use him as well, obviously, but his contract expires after the season and there's no guarantee he stays in Washington.

What would the Capitals be looking for coming back from Chicago? Keep in mind we're looking at him as a rental.

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03-16-2013, 11:36 AM
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Now I don't make trade proposals often for a reason, so I'm not going to throw together some ridiculously bad offer and waste all of your time.

Ribeiro to the Hawks is something that, to me, makes a lot of sense. The Hawks could use an upgrade on the 2nd line (center), a boost to the PP, and a fixture at 3rd shooter in the SO would be greatly needed as well. Our top 6 has taken a hit since Sharp has been out, sure, but an upgrade would just take it to the next level. The Caps could use him as well, obviously, but his contract expires after the season and there's no guarantee he stays in Washington.

What would the Capitals be looking for coming back from Chicago? Keep in mind we're looking at him as a rental.
That is going to obviously impact what you'd be willing to part with, I think the Caps, if they move him will want a 1st, and A/B prospect coming back.

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Hawks could work with that, but I'd like to hear what other people have to say.

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1st + Morin/Pirri type prospect would probably be offer. It would suck for Hawks to not have a 1st round pick in this years draft (Along with no 2nd/3rd) but to get a legit #2 C the price might have to be paid

Saad-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Ribiero-Hossa
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(Carcillo as primary extra)

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God that would be some depth

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Personally I still think the Caps will make the playoffs. I'd like Ribeiro from them, but I see nothing from their staff that suggests they don't believe they'll make it either. They should keep him for the run.

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That is going to obviously impact what you'd be willing to part with, I think the Caps, if they move him will want a 1st, and A/B prospect coming back.
what did they trade to acquire him already ?

edit : I think a first is too much for ribeiro, not saying that it will not happen but I think it is a lot.

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As Saad and TT are off the table prob. Danault too, I assume it would have to be something like 1st and McNeill/Morin/Pirri. That would be fair for both teams. Bidding may increase the price, looks like great market for sellers.

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what did they trade to acquire him already ?

edit : I think a first is too much for ribeiro, not saying that it will not happen but I think it is a lot.
I understand your mindset, they traded Eakin + 2nd for him so to expect a 1st + A/B prospect seems like a ton.

But keep in mind they just traded for him. To trade him off after such a short time in WAS there's going to need to be more than that coming back. I'd part with Chicago's 1st for Ribeiro.

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As Saad and TT are off the table prob. Danault too, I assume it would have to be something like 1st and McNeill/Morin/Pirri. That would be fair for both teams. Bidding may increase the price, looks like great market for sellers.
I'd probably do 1st + Morin or 1st + Pirri. Makes sense for Washington, either way they get a good forward prospect that has NHL experience, and a chance to pick up another good prospect in the draft.

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what did they trade to acquire him already ?

edit : I think a first is too much for ribeiro, not saying that it will not happen but I think it is a lot.
Eakin and 2nd.

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I understand your mindset, they traded Eakin + 2nd for him so to expect a 1st + A/B prospect seems like a ton.

But keep in mind they just traded for him. To trade him off after such a short time in WAS there's going to need to be more than that coming back. I'd part with Chicago's 1st for Ribeiro.



I'd probably do 1st + Morin or 1st + Pirri. Makes sense for Washington, either way they get a good forward prospect that has NHL experience, and a chance to pick up another good prospect in the draft.
you are probably right and they got him in the off-season if I remember correctly, but I thought the hawks were doing good, maybe you should keep your team intact to make sure that you don't break the chemistry

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you are probably right and they got him in the off-season if I remember correctly, but I thought the hawks were doing good, maybe you should keep your team intact to make sure that you don't break the chemistry
That's fair, but you can always improve. Just testing the waters, sounds like the pricetag for Ribeiro is something the Hawks could work with, and that's all I wanted to know.

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Pirri/McNeill and Olsen.

Chi. has to keep their 1st. because of the J Oduya deal.

Wash gets a choice of a more pure off. C in Pirri, or a more all-round C in McNeill.

Olsen will probably develop into another J Schultz type but with a little better hockey sense.
If Chi. signs Ribiero to a new deal, Chi. can give their 1st. along with above but must have a 2013 2nd. and a 2014 3rd coming back.

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1st + Morin/Pirri type prospect would probably be offer.
Would do that in a second.

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Pirri/McNeill and Olsen.

Chi. has to keep their 1st. because of the J Oduya deal.

Wash gets a choice of a more pure off. C in Pirri, or a more all-round C in McNeill.

Olsen will probably develop into another J Schultz type but with a little better hockey sense.
If Chi. signs Ribiero to a new deal, Chi. can give their 1st. along with above but must have a 2013 2nd. and a 2014 3rd coming back.
I dont want to see the 1st traded but it isn't untouchable

With depth in Hawks system one draft of no top 3 round picks wouldn't kill them (Hell they survived the Tallon regime which was utter failure at draft)

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what did they trade to acquire him already ?

edit : I think a first is too much for ribeiro, not saying that it will not happen but I think it is a lot.
You're absolutely right it's way too much.

We sent Brouwer to the Caps for a first round pick...

Ribero is worth a mid-grade prospect and a second... I know the Hawks don't have a second this year but I'm sure a 2014 second and 2014 third would suffice in place of a 2013 second.

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If Ribiero is traded he will easily bring in a first + decent prospect.

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1st + McNeil/Pirri probably works from a Caps perspective. Morin probably doesn't get it done due to the glut of RH wingers in the organization.

And those citing what he was traded for before, trade value is always at its peak at the deadline, hence why Paul Gaustad netted a 1st rounder.

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Riberio is probably the best forward available at the deadline, and should net a decent return. 1st + good prospect is a tough swallow, but if the tables were turned, and I'm a Chicago fan...this looks like my year, and I want my GM to go all in to win the cup....trading for Riberio would a aggressive, but wise move...

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to be honset Hawks 1st is petty much a 2nd

I would rather trade him to a playoff bubble team with a mid 1st not last pick in the draft

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If Ribiero is traded he will easily bring in a first + decent prospect.
This.

I think you will have 10+ teams calling for Ribs and whoever's bid is the highest will get him.

Not too often a 2nd line center who leads their team in points is available at the TDL.

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2nd round pick

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TT + 3rd (turns into a 2nd if Chi makes it to SCF)

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TT + 3rd (turns into a 2nd if Chi makes it to SCF)
I don't think Hawks would want to give up that much for rental.

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I would really consider doing 1st+Morin.

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If the Caps really like TT then I might just do him for Ribeiro straight up, or maybe add a later round pick. Center is an area the Caps need to strengthen and since we're trading Ribeiro getting a center in return would be ideal...

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