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03-15-2013, 07:09 PM
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Article on Carlyle (Yahoo)

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl...4372--nhl.html

Article on Carlyle, written by: Paul Lambert

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"Can anyone stop Randy Carlyle from ruining the Maple Leafs?"


Well that's about as much of this article that I'll be reading.

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Going to break this combo early on.

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Basically slamming Carlyle for mismanaging Grabovski, Kadri, Phaneuf, and Gardiner.

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Skimmed through it and all his points are solid. But I want Carlyle fired too so I'm a bit biased.

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Skimmed through it and all his points are solid. But I want Carlyle fired too so I'm a bit biased.
Besides the obvious playing of Holzer over someone like Gardiner, why do you want Carlyle fired?

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Besides the obvious playing of Holzer over someone like Gardiner, why do you want Carlyle fired?
Feels like he's trying to force this team into something that its not rather than building on our strengths and improving our deficiencies.

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Feels like he's trying to force this team into something that its not rather than building on our strengths and improving our deficiencies.
The team was built to suit Ron Wilson. I'd like Nonis to flip some players before I judge Carlyle.

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http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl...4372--nhl.html

Article on Carlyle, written by: Paul Lambert
Author is Ryan Lambert, not Paul (@twolinepass)

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Brings up great points, but I have had a sour taste in my mouth about Carlyle all season. If we fail to make the playoffs, he should be canned - because his mismanagement of talent will be to blame for a large chunk of it.

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"Can anyone stop Randy Carlyle from ruining the Maple Leafs?"


Well that's about as much of this article that I'll be reading.
Don't worry, despite the article the top rated comments actually had some intelligence in them. You're not the only one who sees through this sham of an article.

Lambert does make some true points, but I don't see how Carlyle is a bad coach.

He's miles ahead of Ronnie boy and I think he will be good for this team.

You don't have the 2nd most playoff wins as a coach since 2005 (as well as a Stanley Cup to boot) by being an idiot and getting lucky.

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I'm not sure that I agree with the theory that if Kadri scores x goals with x minutes, then more minutes = more goals. By that logic shouldn't Sidney Crosby play 60 minutes a game? Of course not.

Maybe Kadri is more effective with fewer minutes because he needs his minutes to be very high energy ones (and he isn't as super-conditioned as some of the players that play 20+ min a night). Maybe Carlyle is right about this.

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I'm not sure that I agree with the theory that if Kadri scores x goals with x minutes, then more minutes = more goals. By that logic shouldn't Sidney Crosby play 60 minutes a game? Of course not.

Maybe Kadri is more effective with fewer minutes because he needs his minutes to be very high energy ones (and he isn't as super-conditioned as some of the players that play 20+ min a night). Maybe Carlyle is right about this.
Or RC could be wrong, nothing new around hete

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Yeah I have a tough time with the philosophy that If a player produces at this rate with this many minutes that he will produce more with more minutes. This theory has been debunked on many ocassions. Vertseeg is the most immediate player that comes to mind.

Kadri is getting around 15 minutes a night and they are sheltered minutes. He is playing a role where he is put in a position to succeed. He is not eating up penalty minutes, he is not eating up defensive responsbility minutes. He is getting 15 quality mintues a night. it's a ridiculous, ignorant thought to believe otherwise.

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Or RC could be wrong, nothing new around hete
well goal scoring has not been as big an issue as goals-against (so what else is new) ... so I'm not sure I'd characterize RC's management of the top scorers are ruinous to the Leafs

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Yeah I have a tough time with the philosophy that If a player produces at this rate with this many minutes that he will produce more with more minutes. This theory has been debunked on many ocassions. Vertseeg is the most immediate player that comes to mind.

Kadri is getting around 15 minutes a night and they are sheltered minutes. He is playing a role where he is put in a position to succeed. He is not eating up penalty minutes, he is not eating up defensive responsbility minutes. He is getting 15 quality mintues a night. it's a ridiculous, ignorant thought to believe otherwise.
Jesus you are making me think they are setting up to trade him, Cody Hodgson-style

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Don't worry, despite the article the top rated comments actually had some intelligence in them. You're not the only one who sees through this sham of an article.

Lambert does make some true points, but I don't see how Carlyle is a bad coach.

He's miles ahead of Ronnie boy and I think he will be good for this team.

You don't have the 2nd most playoff wins as a coach since 2005 (as well as a Stanley Cup to boot) by being an idiot and getting lucky.
Well Ron Wilson is one of the winningest coaches in NHL history so...

I thought it was a good article. His line/ice time decisions are baffling. I have no idea why he'd force Phaneuf to the side he's less comfortable on.

And his handling of Grabovski and subsequent comments is hilarious. Just awful.

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lol, it's like the average panicked fan from hfboards wrote an article for yahoo

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Feels like he's trying to force this team into something that its not rather than building on our strengths and improving our deficiencies.
Maybe a more upbeat run and gun style?

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time out.. we picked top 5 last yr, and now were in the playoffs, if we dont make it Carlyle should be fired? LMAO. this fanbase never fails.

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Wilson
PP 10th
PK 28th

Carlyle
PP 16th
PK 6th

Carlyle should probably be garnering Jack Adams consideration.

Or is coaching more about the roster popularity contest?

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I can only imagine that if Carlyle was fired, after a short losing streak this place would be up in arms calling for Eakins' head if he was the man who replaced Carlyle. This place never eases up on the ridiculousness.

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we gave Wilson 4 years. can't we be a little patient leafs nation? lets see what Carlyle can do within the next couple of seasons and then judge him on whether he should be fired or not. He hasn't even gotten a full 82 game season under his belt yet as a Leafs coach. I'll probably be grading him after the end of the 2013-14 season.

we still need to give nonis time to bring his pieces in and see where this club goes. patience people.

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