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03-16-2013, 07:46 AM
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Montreal/Vancouver

To Vancouver:
- Brian Gionta
- Travis Moen
- Yanick Weber

To Montreal:
- Jannik Hansen
- Keith Ballard
- 3rd round pick(2014)


Montreal after trade(If healthy):

Bourque-Plekanec-Ryder
Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher
Galchenyuk-Eller-Hansen
Prust-White-Armstrong
Dumont

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Diaz-Bouillon/Ballard
Bouillon/Ballard

Vancouver after trade(If Healthy):

D.Sedin-H.Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Gionta
Raymond-Higgins-Kassian
Moen-Lapierre-Weise
Ebbett, (*Malhotra out for season)

Edler-Tanev
Hamhuis-Garrison
Bieksa-Weber/Alberts
Weber/Alberts

Fair? Vancouver adds a scorer and a depth player and Montreal adds a very good 3rd liner and another pick. Change of scenery for Weber and ballard.

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03-16-2013, 07:59 AM
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Why? Gionta's worth more than that.

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Mtl say yes

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03-16-2013, 08:00 AM
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I kinda like this from the canadiens perspective. Not a huge fan of Ballard but he does bring more depth. I've always liked Hansen and we add yet another pick.

Weber is done in MTL, gionta is our capt but I wouldn't mind him gone and moen is a tough SOB but seems to be lacking a tad.

Ideally this will work if Habs are healthy. I would like it

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I like Weber and Gionta, Moen is meh imo. Ballard is someone who has little to no value, but is a reclamation project of sorts that could rebound really nicely for whatever team he plays on next (trust me when i say that Barker and Alberts are not better) and I'm assuming he is included to make Gionta's 5 mill cap hit (which also hurts his value imo). I see where you are coming from and although the value may be ok, but Hansen is very important to this team right now (third on our team in points with 16 points) and our most consistent player.

I'm not gonna say Hansen is untouchable (cause no third liner is imo) but if we were to trade him, it would have to be for a centre. We dont have the depth, even with Kesler is healthy, ideally it would be for a centre that could move to wing and play with Kesler when he gets back. Gionta is listed as a winger, not entirely sure if he has the ability to play centre or not. Weber shoots right, which is really nice, and could be a nice #6 guy, but the pairings would then be
Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Tanev
Garrison Weber

and I dont think having Garrison on the third pairing is ideal. Lately we have been putting Hamhuis with Garrison and it has been working, so that would meant that we will have either Bieksa or Tanev on the third pairing (so Weber would have to play his off side).

I just dont see this move being good for the Canucks right now, although the value may be there.

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03-16-2013, 08:03 AM
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Wouldn't touch Ballard and his contract with a 50 foot pole, no from montreal

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03-16-2013, 08:14 AM
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How about

Gionta (mtl retain 1.5)
Weber

Vs

Hansen
2round
Barker / Albert

I would love to have Hansen with Eller on the third line ....

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Zero interest in moving Hansen and his great contract.

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How about

Gionta (mtl retain 1.5)
Weber

Vs

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2round
Barker / Albert

I would love to have Hansen with Eller on the third line ....
I'm sure you would

, I just dont think that Gionta at his cap hit is worth it for us, we dont need any more wingers, we need centres. Weber doesnt do anything for us and would be our 7th guy, so essentially it is Gionta for Hansen and a 2nd rounder. Which I would respectfully decline because Hansen at his cap hit is as valuable imo and the 2nd rounder is overkill. Maybe if we talk Higgins/Raymond instead of Hansen then we could work something out

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Why? Gionta's worth more than that.
Gionta is our captain but I am assuming you dont know what Hansen is capable of. IMO, one of the best 3rd liners in the game with a great contract.

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Can a Canuck fan give me a counteroffer bringing Hansen to Montreal? Would be a great addition.

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How you guys see Eller is very similar to how we see Hansen, just for reference

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Can a Canuck fan give me a counteroffer bringing Hansen to Montreal? Would be a great addition.
One of your stanley cups would be nice.

Honestly, you wouldn't like the answer. We're a team close to the cap, and with the cap going down to $64.3 mil Hansen's contract is extremely valuable to us.

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One of your stanley cups would be nice.

Honestly, you wouldn't like the answer. We're a team close to the cap, and with the cap going down to $64.3 mil Hansen's contract is extremely valuable to us.
Haha makes sense.

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One of your stanley cups would be nice.

Honestly, you wouldn't like the answer. We're a team close to the cap, and with the cap going down to $64.3 mil Hansen's contract is extremely valuable to us.
pretty much this, something around Eller and Hansen I would like, but from the tone of the op I assume the point of acquiring Hansen was to play with Eller

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The only kind of deal that could work is Desharnais (who isn't getting traded right now) or Eller (who is very similar to Hansen and I would prefer keeping the C than a W) for Hansen+.

I'm a fan of both teams (MTL favourite, VAN second favourite) - Hansen is an incredible player. The kind of player you HATE to play against. Eller + Hansen + Galchenyuk would be the best 3rd line in the league if we could somehow get him. But it would have to be one sweetheart of a deal.

Weber does nothing for them, if we were sending a defenseman, it's going to have to be a top prospect like Beaulieu or a guy like Diaz.

If Vancouver wasn't a contender something like Tinordi + Bournival would work, although I see Bournival as a similar player to Hansen anyway.

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How you guys see Eller is very similar to how we see Hansen, just for reference
I'd counter and say Hansen is 27 while Eller is 23, but whatever.

Regardless, I don't see this working for either team. Vancouver needs secondary scoring, but ideally needs an improvement to their center depth. Montreal needs added size and physicality and a crease clearing defender. This deal doesn't address either team's needs while screwing with chemistry. Makes no sense for either team.

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you hit the nail on the head Hawkeye, you would have an easier time pulling Gillis' teeth out one by one, than prying Hansen away

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I'd counter and say Hansen is 27 while Eller is 23, but whatever.

Regardless, I don't see this working for either team. Vancouver needs secondary scoring, but ideally needs an improvement to their center depth. Montreal needs added size and physicality and a crease clearing defender. This deal doesn't address either team's needs while screwing with chemistry. Makes no sense for either team.
hence why I said similar

obviously Eller holds more value because he is younger, would agree with your assessment of the deal though, just doesn't really help either side imo

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I'd counter and say Hansen is 27 while Eller is 23, but whatever.

Regardless, I don't see this working for either team. Vancouver needs secondary scoring, but ideally needs an improvement to their center depth. Montreal needs added size and physicality and a crease clearing defender. This deal doesn't address either team's needs while screwing with chemistry. Makes no sense for either team.
Yes, Eller has more value because he's a C and an RFA but not much. Hansen is an incredible two way hockey player, who is signed for another year to a beaut of a contract. Vancouver would probably have to add a prospect or something but the addition wouldn't be enough for MTL to bite. And Vancouver wouldn't add anymore because then it's not going to work for them either.

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you hit the nail on the head Hawkeye, you would have an easier time pulling Gillis' teeth out one by one, than prying Hansen away
Exactly. If Gillis was interested in Beaulieu + Weber + Gionta for Ballard + Hansen, I would be flying those guys to the airport right now.

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gallagher
Galchenyuk - Plekanec - Bourque
Prust - Eller - Hansen
Moen - White - Armstrong

.. those Top-3 lines would be absolutely unreal

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this is also at a time where Hansen is at his highest value because he is seemingly in a breakout season offensively (for him) although he was scoring a ton at the beginning of last year as well and then hit a cold streak near the end so you never know. Hasen is a fan favorite and i understand that it clouds my judgement a little in terms of value, but he is just one of those players that you seems better the more you watch him.

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Exactly. If Gillis was interested in Beaulieu + Weber + Gionta for Ballard + Hansen, I would be flying those guys to the airport right now.

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gallagher
Galchenyuk - Plekanec - Bourque
Prust - Eller - Hansen
Moen - White - Armstrong

you would realize that Leafs, Bruins, Sens, and Sabres fans would hate Vancouver if we allowed that line to come to fruition

(well maybe not Sabres fans since we gave them their #1 centre... )

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you would realize that Leafs, Bruins, Sens, and Sabres fans would hate Vancouver if we allowed that line to come to fruition

(well maybe not Sabres fans since we gave them their #1 centre... )
Our prospects would hate it too.

It would be at least 3 years before anyone got a chance to crack that top-9.

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Yes, Eller has more value because he's a C and an RFA but not much. Hansen is an incredible two way hockey player, who is signed for another year to a beaut of a contract. Vancouver would probably have to add a prospect or something but the addition wouldn't be enough for MTL to bite. And Vancouver wouldn't add anymore because then it's not going to work for them either.
Make no mistake, I am in no way dissing Hansen. He's a fantastic hockey player. Brings offense, but still positively contributes when he's not scoring. Very much like Eller. I'm just not sure Montreal should be dealing for him. In the 2014 offseason, we have Emelin, Diaz and Markov as UFAs and Eller and Subban as RFAs. That's going to be a lot of money spent to keep them all (or even most of them). Not sure I want to add Hansen who will UFA during that offseason and also be due a raise.

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