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03-16-2013, 08:48 AM
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Make no mistake, I am in no way dissing Hansen. He's a fantastic hockey player. Brings offense, but still positively contributes when he's not scoring. Very much like Eller. I'm just not sure Montreal should be dealing for him. In the 2014 offseason, we have Emelin, Diaz and Markov as UFAs and Eller and Subban as RFAs. That's going to be a lot of money spent to keep them all (or even most of them). Not sure I want to add Hansen who will UFA during that offseason and also be due a raise.
If they were to trade for Hansen now, I'd expect an extension this summer.

Similarly, I hope Rafa, Eller, and Subban get extensions this summer so we can lock them up long-term at a smaller salary. Maybe Emelin too.

Subban for $5.5M, Eller for $3.5M, Hansen for $3M, Rafa for $3M (give or take for all of them).

Markov is a play it by year kind of guy. I'd want him back, no doubt. He's a minutes eater. But not at $5.75M. Maybe more around the $4M mark.

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03-16-2013, 08:51 AM
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Make no mistake, I am in no way dissing Hansen. He's a fantastic hockey player. Brings offense, but still positively contributes when he's not scoring. Very much like Eller. I'm just not sure Montreal should be dealing for him. In the 2014 offseason, we have Emelin, Diaz and Markov as UFAs and Eller and Subban as RFAs. That's going to be a lot of money spent to keep them all (or even most of them). Not sure I want to add Hansen who will UFA during that offseason and also be due a raise.
that's a fair point. Vancouver will most likely not be into dealing him so it works out for the both of us. Resigning Eller and Subban should be a priority for you guys.

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03-16-2013, 09:25 AM
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Does not address Canuck needs.

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03-16-2013, 09:33 AM
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As a fan and close follower of both teams, I can tell you that there is no way Montreal considers this.

Also, the Canucks need help at center, a guy who can efficiently play the 3rd line role and fill-in from time to time on the second line.

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03-16-2013, 09:33 AM
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Can a Canuck fan give me a counteroffer bringing Hansen to Montreal? Would be a great addition.
Gallagher

Yes, it is ridiculous and Montreal would never make the offer to begin with, but Hansen is that valued to the Canucks. We would add but Gallagher is the type of player you'd have to include for Vancouver to consider moving Hansen. As a Hab fan myself, Gallagher is as untouchable as they come.

Edit: I could see Eller involved instead but yeah, just not a deal Montreal would do.


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03-16-2013, 11:18 AM
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Hansen is Van's 5th best forward behind the Sedins, Burrows and Kesler. I really can't imagine trading him at all.

He can play on any line. He is an elite defender in all 3 zones(best defensive statistics of any VAN forward for the last 2 years). He is coming around offensively - not just as a guy who can finish a play but create them as well.

He is Vancouver's 3rd line and trading him opens up more holes than it fills barring the most drastic of overpayments. I can understand other team's fans wanting him on their team but... when I see him (Edler too) in trade proposals the word "no" immediately and repetitively jumps into my head.

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03-16-2013, 12:09 PM
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I don't want to say Hansen's untouchable...

...but he's untouchable. He won't be moved any time soon.

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03-16-2013, 12:37 PM
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No thanks to trading one of our only 2 natural RW's. no thanks to Gio's redonkulous cap hit. No thanks to Moen, we have bottom 6 LW's already and have 9 LW's on the team.

Ballard for Weber is something I can get into. Mtl has the space and need for more veteran D who bring a physical element. Vancouver needs a right handed PP specialist D.
Only thing is the contract difference. One is cheap and young the other medium priced for prime aged.

Lets simplify the deal. Ballard conditional 2nd. Condition being Ballard plays at least 60 games next season. Above the pick goes down by 1 round every 10 games. So a 4th if he ate 80 games. A first if he doesn't make 40.
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Weber conditional pick on re-signing under 1.5 mill. If he does no pick. If he doesn't re-sign 3rd. If we get our under 1.5 2nd?

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03-16-2013, 12:46 PM
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No thanks to trading one of our only 2 natural RW's. no thanks to Gio's redonkulous cap hit. No thanks to Moen, we have bottom 6 LW's already and have 9 LW's on the team.

Ballard for Weber is something I can get into. Mtl has the space and need for more veteran D who bring a physical element. Vancouver needs a right handed PP specialist D.
Only thing is the contract difference. One is cheap and young the other medium priced for prime aged.

Lets simplify the deal. Ballard conditional 2nd. Condition being Ballard plays at least 60 games next season. Above the pick goes down by 1 round every 10 games. So a 4th if he ate 80 games. A first if he doesn't make 40.
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Weber conditional pick on re-signing under 1.5 mill. If he does no pick. If he doesn't re-sign 3rd. If we get our under 1.5 2nd?
Not a chance Montreal would take Ballard's contract.

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03-16-2013, 12:58 PM
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I don't want to say Hansen's untouchable...

...but he's untouchable. He won't be moved any time soon.
If Gillis considers Hansen untouchable, that would be a huge mistake. Not saying I would do the Montreal trade, but If moving Hansen helps get the centerman we need, then so be it.

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03-16-2013, 01:25 PM
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If Gillis considers Hansen untouchable, that would be a huge mistake. Not saying I would do the Montreal trade, but If moving Hansen helps get the centerman we need, then so be it.
It would have to be Darren Helm, Lars Eller, Frans Nielsen type center coming back though (and I don't really see those guys being available )

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03-16-2013, 01:34 PM
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If Gillis considers Hansen untouchable, that would be a huge mistake. Not saying I would do the Montreal trade, but If moving Hansen helps get the centerman we need, then so be it.
This thread not being included, but most other fans think Hansen is a typical, dime a dozen third liner, so if other proposals are indications, we will never get that.

As for the OP, no thank you. I have no problems with the players coming back, but for Hansen...I'd rather hold on to him. Yes, I know Gionta was included, but Hansen being moved would have a massive hole in our roster and team composition that Gionta wouldn't be able to fill. A small, speedy two way (I think...?) forward would fit in well with our current roster, but we have enough of that kind of player.

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It would have to be Darren Helm, Lars Eller, Frans Nielsen type center coming back though (and I don't really see those guys being available )
I wouldnt trade 23 year old Eller for 27 year old Hansen but something around Hansen+ for Nielsen would work. I actually follow the Islanders quite a bit and if they are out of the running come the deadline, I think Nielsen would be available. Nelson, Strome, Sundstrom... are ready to take a spot in the lineup.

Maybe something around Viz and Nielsen for Hansen, Ballard and a 1st or 2nd.

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This thread not being included, but most other fans think Hansen is a typical, dime a dozen third liner, so if other proposals are indications, we will never get that.

As for the OP, no thank you. I have no problems with the players coming back, but for Hansen...I'd rather hold on to him. Yes, I know Gionta was included, but Hansen being moved would have a massive hole in our roster and team composition that Gionta wouldn't be able to fill. A small, speedy two way (I think...?) forward would fit in well with our current roster, but we have enough of that kind of player.
I know Hansen is an important piece of the roster but I didnt know that he was that important.

I still think this is a fair value but it would leave a hole in the roster.

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Not a chance Montreal would take Ballard's contract.
Montreal is a rich team and could easily keep Ballard in the box for 43 games and earn a 1st. At the price of a PP specialist on his way out. Since the Canucks will try to retain Weber at or under wht Alberts makes now. Making this a huge win for Montreal gaining another 1st albeit 2014 draft.

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03-16-2013, 01:48 PM
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Montreal is a rich team and could easily keep Ballard in the box for 43 games and earn a 1st. At the price of a PP specialist on his way out. Since the Canucks will try to retain Weber at or under wht Alberts makes now. Making this a huge win for Montreal gaining another 1st albeit 2014 draft.
As I explained before in this thread, Montreal has a number of guys to try to resign after the 2013-2014 season. We also have Kaberle who can't even crack the line-up with Markov, Subban and Diaz ahead of him. Cap space is an asset, especially when going after UFAs. I can't say Montreal is that desperate for draft picks with 4 in the top-60 and 6 in the top-90 in the upcoming draft. They also only have one compliance buyout left.

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Can a Canuck fan give me a counteroffer bringing Hansen to Montreal? Would be a great addition.
Pacioretty. But seriously, it would take an overpayment for us to ever trade Hansen.

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03-16-2013, 02:54 PM
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If Gillis considers Hansen untouchable, that would be a huge mistake. Not saying I would do the Montreal trade, but If moving Hansen helps get the centerman we need, then so be it.
That better be a pretty good centermen in return then.

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03-16-2013, 02:56 PM
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Gionta (overpaid)
+ Garbage
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Yeah, nucks say no.

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The only kind of deal that could work is Desharnais (who isn't getting traded right now) or Eller (who is very similar to Hansen and I would prefer keeping the C than a W) for Hansen+.

I'm a fan of both teams (MTL favourite, VAN second favourite) - Hansen is an incredible player. The kind of player you HATE to play against. Eller + Hansen + Galchenyuk would be the best 3rd line in the league if we could somehow get him. But it would have to be one sweetheart of a deal.

Weber does nothing for them, if we were sending a defenseman, it's going to have to be a top prospect like Beaulieu or a guy like Diaz.

If Vancouver wasn't a contender something like Tinordi + Bournival would work, although I see Bournival as a similar player to Hansen anyway.
I doubt the Canucks have any interest at all in Desharnais. Gillis isn't a big fan of small centers to begin with (just see how the organization takes their time with Schroeder despite him showing well defensively). And AV is even worse when it comes to small players, especially in a 3rd line role - which is where Desharnais would end up behind Henrik and Kesler, making him a bad fit not only given his size and style of play, but also his contract, to fill that role.

Hansen is not going anywhere. While he's far from "untouchable" on a team that is playing to the cap, and seeing how Hansen has consistently improved every year, and still is, while being one of the team's best defensive forwards, at his contract he's basically not going anywhere.

These are the needs that Hansen fills for the Canucks:

1) sweetheart contract that he's playing well beyond (huge value to a cap team)
2) great defensive player who is trusted by his coach in every situation
3) one of only 2 right handed, natural right side, wingers on the team
4) Can and has played on every line and either wing and seems to have chemistry with every line he's on.
5) a complete workhorse. Hardest working player on the Canucks, which says a lot on a team with Burrows, Higgins, and Kesler who are all workhorse players.

After the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows and Hamhuis, there likely isn't a Canuck who's less likely to be moved.

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03-16-2013, 03:06 PM
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No from Canucks Hansen is too important. 3rd liners like him don't grow on trees.

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Losing Hansen wouldn't be the end of the world but only if we receive a huge upgrade in return.

The closest NHL comparable would be Simmonds who was traded in a package. Something like Hansen+ for Pleks is something that Gillis might be interested in.

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Exactly. If Gillis was interested in Beaulieu + Weber + Gionta for Ballard + Hansen, I would be flying those guys to the airport right now.

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gallagher
Galchenyuk - Plekanec - Bourque
Prust - Eller - Hansen
Moen - White - Armstrong

.. those Top-3 lines would be absolutely unreal
Thats exactly what we have right now except you swapped Gionta out for Hansen. Is he really that big of an upgrade on our captain?

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03-16-2013, 04:44 PM
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Thats exactly what we have right now except you swapped Gionta out for Hansen. Is he really that big of an upgrade on our captain?
Yes, Hansen is that big of an upgrade.

It would also let Plekanec finally get some offensive ice-time instead of being the one to play against the Sedins and Crosbys of the league.

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I wouldn't mess with Mtl's chemistry right now. Gionta is captain and has a NTC clause - moving him could upset the whole team.

Moen is a great 4th line player who can play with a bit of grit - no reason to move him. I admit he can play better but he's exactly what we need come playoffs and I'm sure other teams would be willing to move a 2nd or 3rd for him.

Weber has no value right now except to Montreal. He's great depth if someone gets hurt. Holding on to him has more value if we go deep in the playoffs than moving trading him for a bag of pucks.

It might be worth exploring Hansen but it doesn't sound like the Canucks would be moving him for cheap. Ballard's contract makes him unattractive

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