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04-28-2013, 12:50 PM
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Is there anyone who has paid a bigger price for winning the cup...

than Teemu Selanne? When he won the cup back in 2007 he lost all the motivation required for playing hockey. He got a big time cup hangover and didn't play for the first 56 games of the following season and that cost him exactly 25 goals. If it wasn't for the cup hangover Teemu would have scored his 700 career goal last night.

That is a really big price to pay for winning the cup! Is there anybody in the history of hockey who has paid a bigger price for winning the cup?

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There is probably hundreds of players who sacrificed their career playing with severe injuries and not even getting to win the cup.

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Konstantinov. /thread

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Konstantinov. /thread
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Charlie Gardiner died as a result of refusing to pull himself from the playoffs in 1934. I think that "wins" this thread:

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Gardiner's finest moment came in the 1934 playoffs, as "Smiling Charlie" advanced the Hawks to the Stanley Cup Finals against Detroit. This despite the fact that Gardiner was feeling quite ill at the time. Unbeknownst to him or his doctors, Gardiner had long suffered from a chronic tonsil infection. The disease had spread and had begun to cause uremia convulsions. Undaunted, Gardiner pressed on as winning the Stanley Cup had become an obsession with him. Though playing in body-numbing pain, the Hawks prevailed over the Wings. He permitted only 12 goals in 8 playoff games - a 1.50 GAA.

A well liked and jovial fellow, Gardiner served as the Blackhawks captain, a rarity for a goalie even when it was allowed. Before the decisive 4th game, the "Roving Scotsman" showed his leadership and reportedly told his teammates that they would only need to score one goal that night. Sure enough, the game had gone into double overtime at a 0-0 tie. Suffering from growing fatigue, Gardiner was weakening considerably as the game went on. But he managed to hold the Red Wings scoreless until Chicago's Mush March finally scored.

The Hawks hoisted their first Stanley Cup, but Gardiner, the only goalie to captain a Cup champion, was just as happy he could escape the ice and collapse in the dressing room. A few weeks later Gardiner underwent brain surgery after suffering a massive brain hemorrhage. Unfortunately complications from the surgery would cost him his life on June 13, 1934.

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Bill Barilko

Scored the Stanley Cup winning goal then died returning from a fishing trip in the summer of 1951:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Barilko

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The reason why I said Gardiner "wins" this thread is because his death was directly the result of ignoring his growing symptoms so he could continue to play, while what happened to Konstantinov and Barilko were tragic accidents that happened after winning the Cup.

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than Teemu Selanne? When he won the cup back in 2007 he lost all the motivation required for playing hockey. He got a big time cup hangover and didn't play for the first 56 games of the following season and that cost him exactly 25 goals. If it wasn't for the cup hangover Teemu would have scored his 700 career goal last night.
I'm surprised that nobody has challenged this assertion yet...

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I'm surprised that nobody has challenged this assertion yet...
Nobody wants to be captain obvious

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The reason why I said Gardiner "wins" this thread is because his death was directly the result of ignoring his growing symptoms so he could continue to play, while what happened to Konstantinov and Barilko were tragic accidents that happened after winning the Cup.
What happened to Barilko was a tragic, but unrelated incident.

What happened to Konstantinov was a DIRECT result of winning the Cup (drunk driver with suspended license crashes limo after Konstantinov/Mnatsakanov/Fetisov leave party celebrating Cup win).

One only can wonder what happens (and be thankful it didn't) if Fedorov had not declined the invitation to join them.

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What happened to Barilko was a tragic, but unrelated incident.

What happened to Konstantinov was a DIRECT result of winning the Cup (drunk driver with suspended license crashes limo after Konstantinov/Mnatsakanov/Fetisov leave party celebrating Cup win).

One only can wonder what happens (and be thankful it didn't) if Fedorov had not declined the invitation to join them.
Yes, Barilko was just random. He could have taken that fishing trip had the Leafs lost, and probably would have. Vladdy was more directly involved with celebrating a Cup win. While he didn't win a Cup, Steve Chiasson was at a year end party with the Canes when he drove drunk, wasn't that the case?

I agree Charlie Gardiner is #1 here.

Bobby Orr with his knees in 1972. Missed out on the Canada/Russia series

Mario Lemieux with his wrist in 1992. Had a huge tensor bandage where Graves slashed him the rest of the playoffs, even noticeably when he is lifting the Cup. Look, Mario dominates the remainder of the playoffs but if you watch him you'll see that he doesn't take hard shots for the most part. Yet he still had 34 points in 15 games. We talk about Lemieux's back and cancer but forget that the guy came back with possibly a broken wrist just to win another Cup.

While he missed the last two rounds of the playoffs, Peter Forsberg had his spleen removed in 2001 and he was as important as any Av in those first two rounds.

Bob Baun could easily be the consensus #2 here. A Gordie Howe shot breaks his foot, he goes to the dressing room, gets it frozen and returns to score the overtime goal in Game 6. Leafs win in Game 7. Maybe not a long term injury, but that had to have been a lousy summer.

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Bobby Baun 1967
Broken ankle or leg as reported scores the winner for the Leafs
http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com...ns-broken.html

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Scored the Stanley Cup winning goal then died returning from a fishing trip in the summer of 1951:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Barilko
The last goal he ever scored
Won the Leafs the cup
They didn't win another till nineteen sixty two
The year he was discovered

50th Mission cap by THE TRAGICALLY HIP

Great song by a classic Canadian band

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Look, I am one of the biggest Selanne homers in this forum and I can safely say that Selanne sacrificed nothing after the Cup. The guy gave out everything he had to win it and I am more than happy for him to get it. But to act like the post 05-lockout has somehow been bad years for Selanne is just stupid.

The guy cemented his legacy in the Hall of Fame, got a cup and became one of the most respected and loved player of all-time. He paid for the cup in San Jose and Colorado. That is what really hurts his legacy, not the fact that he missed goals due to the cup hangover.

BTW, gongrats on the Selanne thread on the main board. Pure gold.


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BTW, gongrats on the Selanne thread on the main board. Pure gold.
After the Red Wings beat the Ducks at the Joe Louis Arena, Selanne will leave the ice to chants of 674! 674! 674!


Gardiner wins, but I will never not post this:




I love that series like it's a neighbor's wife.

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Yeah, Gardiner sounds like the "winner" here.

I'd also say that Doug Gilmour and Trevor Linden both gave 'til it hurt (and then some) in the playoffs, at the cost of longer or more superficially dazzling careers.

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than Teemu Selanne? When he won the cup back in 2007 he lost all the motivation required for playing hockey. He got a big time cup hangover and didn't play for the first 56 games of the following season and that cost him exactly 25 goals. If it wasn't for the cup hangover Teemu would have scored his 700 career goal last night.

That is a really big price to pay for winning the cup! Is there anybody in the history of hockey who has paid a bigger price for winning the cup?
Hmmmm Cap hangover or Niedermeyer and Selanne figuring out cap issues for the Ducks?

6 years later and he is a 42 year old NHLer making 4.75 a season as the 2nd seed in the West... what price did he pay exactly?

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Charlie Gardiner died as a result of refusing to pull himself from the playoffs in 1934. I think that "wins" this thread:
Yup he literally died to win. Too bad he did not have the benefit of modern medicine.

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After the Red Wings beat the Ducks at the Joe Louis Arena, Selanne will leave the ice to chants of 674! 674! 674!


Gardiner wins, but I will never not post this:




I love that series like it's a neighbor's wife.
Haha! Yeah, good thing he redeemed that career of his by scoring in the last regular-season game he will ever play. It was close!

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than Teemu Selanne? When he won the cup back in 2007 he lost all the motivation required for playing hockey. He got a big time cup hangover and didn't play for the first 56 games of the following season and that cost him exactly 25 goals. If it wasn't for the cup hangover Teemu would have scored his 700 career goal last night.

That is a really big price to pay for winning the cup! Is there anybody in the history of hockey who has paid a bigger price for winning the cup?
I'm still confused as to how a player "losing motivation for playing hockey" should be considered paying a huge price to win the Cup.

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