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03-17-2013, 02:12 PM
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Great D game today despite Boston's constant pressure.

Big plus that we're top in the East.

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+ Pascal Dupuis - best player on the team. Literally dragging Sid and Kunie along with his flubbed passes and insane offensive decisions.

+ Tomas Vokoun - I hated the last 20 minutes, he seemed to get rattled mentally in the 3rd when the traffic and intensity got real.

ALSO: TV used to be a good player of the puck. Now he makes the same stupid decisions that Fleury does. I'm sorry, but the common denominator is the goalie coach.

+ Paul Martin - I never trashed you last year. You're the best. Around. Nothing's gonna ever keep you down.

+ Kunitz - continue to love his 200ft game.

+ The Penguins forecheck - when they turn it on, even the best teams out there struggle with it.

+/- Dzone coverage and the PK - obviously some adjustments were made, but far too many lapses in the process of executing those adjustments.

- Face-offs - this was a strength, now a weakness. Gotta get it righted. Maybe even bring in a face-off guy at the TDL.

- Officials - really uneven, in my mind. I don't think there were only 3 calls in this entire game, both ways.

+ This team is turning a corner mentally. I don't know why or when or how. All the credit in the world to Ray Shero for being patient and Dan Bylsma and Sidney Crosby for righting the ship.


+ You guys. You're so awesome. Even the ones who think Sidney Crosby is a 1st-liner, as he kills play-after-play on Dupuis' line.
Haha I love this post, I can't tell where the sarcasm ends and the seriousness begins!

+ 1st line- Buzzing all game!
+ Vokoun- Lucky bounce with that wrap around, but still played a solid game.
+ Sutter- No points but he had a great game!
+ Martin- 30 minutes of ice time in a back to back game and looked great!

- 2nd line, seriously didn't even notice Neal out there one time.
- Referees. Enough said
- Injuries- on both sides I just hate seeing it for any player

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03-17-2013, 02:13 PM
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I agree with IC that our defensive zone was both +/-. We had some let downs. But Martin was a freak of nature.
Cole, what adjustments have they made systemically? Tactics are your turf, but, from my layman's perspective, it seems a lot more simplified.

Doesn't mean it was breakdown free, but it seems that there's a lot less chasing, a little more man, keeping play to the perimeter like the old days.

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03-17-2013, 02:14 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvD46aV3Y44

video of Letang's injury, for those wanting to see it.

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03-17-2013, 02:16 PM
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Oh an Big - to Bylsma for insisting that neither the 2nd ling wingers nor Sutter has any realistic chance of scoring, by keeping Bennett - Sutter - Neal apart. There is no excuse for this. Neal is nothing more than an expensive forechecker playing with Jeffrey. He gets zero opportunities with DJ because DJ can't create any against good defensive teams. Shades of 2011 again. His shot totals have dropped by a factor of 3 or 4.
I'm of two minds on this.

On the one hand, you're right (with the minor caution that Neal isn't much of a forechecker).

On the other hand, given where the complaints were about coaching 3-4 weeks ago-- LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS-- you can't deny that there hasn't been some growth, at long last, as far as Bylsma goes. Not as much as we'd really, really like, but solid growth nonetheless.

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Based on that I think NBC is wrong. I don't think it has anything to do with Marchand's stick work or else Letang would've immediately done what all players do when they get wacked on the hand or wrist... throw their glove down and hold their hand. Too me the hunching over suggests something else. We'll see.

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good game, but don't let get it over your head, this could tilt different way, bt all in all good effort,
I still feel Voukun is more lucky than good, bit I'll take it, too many rebounds, just didn't go their way
If there was ever time that one player elevates game of the others its now with Sid and his line, just strong out there, and dangerous
-not much offense from 2nd and 3rd line, although Sutter keeps surprising me with some great offensive plays
-Letang injury, just cannot afford it now (I have to mention how that commentator on NHL network said that his presence will be missed "especially on pp as a quaterback of their pp" Sometimes you wonder do these people even watch games, and they get paid for that kind of analysis?
-need Gino to start getting 2nd and 3rd line in groove prior to Play-offs

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03-17-2013, 02:18 PM
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I almost had a heart attack, this game definatly got to me emotionally. Let's beat Caps to make it 10 game winning streak!

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Based on that I think NBC is wrong. I don't think it has anything to do with Marchand's stick work or else Letang would've immediately done what all players do when they get wacked on the hand or wrist... throw their glove down and hold their hand. Too me the hunching over suggests something else. We'll see.
well the stick hit his leg, and its a lower body injury

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woah, does Letang have an Achilles injury?

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Our next two games are against the Capitals and Islanders and I don't see why we can't win those both.

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I'm of two minds on this.

On the one hand, you're right (with the minor caution that Neal isn't much of a forechecker).

On the other hand, given where the complaints were about coaching 3-4 weeks ago-- LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS-- you can't deny that there hasn't been some growth, at long last, as far as Bylsma goes. Not as much as we'd really, really like, but solid growth nonetheless.
I tend to agree with you, KIRK. I've see some 2-3 forecheck, good puck support, and more aggression on the PK in the last 5 or 6 games. The d-zone can still look like a hot mess from time to time because of our silly "puck fronting at all costs" scheme. But it's definitely a major improvement.

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+ Not even Pierre's slobbering commentary could undo my game long Beau-ner.

- Tanner Glass is such a ******* waste of space that he makes me forget what a ******* waste of space Craig Adams is.

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Oh an Big - to Bylsma for insisting that neither the 2nd ling wingers nor Sutter has any realistic chance of scoring, by keeping Bennett - Sutter - Neal apart. There is no excuse for this. Neal is nothing more than an expensive forechecker playing with Jeffrey. He gets zero opportunities with DJ because DJ can't create any against good defensive teams. Shades of 2011 again. His shot totals have dropped by a factor of 3 or 4.
I said it before: that's the problem with Bylsma, DJ had an OK game against awful Rangers and he went straight back with him anchoring 19 and 18.

That doesn't make sense

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvD46aV3Y44

video of Letang's injury, for those wanting to see it.
I don't see slashing. It's more like a groin or something.

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woah, does Letang have an Achilles injury?
I was thinking that or a groin pull.

Didn't seem like he got really twisted for the groin pull, but I'm not sure he wouldn't have gone right down if it were an Achilles.

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+ Not even Pierre's slobbering commentary could undo my game long Beau-ner.
Shouldn't that help it, not hinder it??

(I'm married, maybe it works differently now)

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+ Paul Martin was an absolute stud today and handled Lucic well more than a few times.

+ In motion play. The Bruins could never really get a fix on where or how to handle the Pens. On the ice is one thing but for as much crap we've tossed at Disco this year this is the pace he preaches and it looks great now.

+ Sid... is there anything else to really say about him.

+ BBennett.. great instincts for a kid so young.

+ The defense around the cage. Great playing in the middle of the ice lets the goalies get square to the puck and focus instead of wondering whats going on behind them.

- Neal... Jiggs caught this about a month ago and he's right. I don't really care so much about Neal hitting but he's not even getting quality chances anymore. I know he's a triggerman for a set up guy but he has to play better than that.

- Letang injury... they're calling it lower body. I was hoping he could refine his game for the playoffs but maybe a short rest will be a blessing.

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I'm of two minds on this.

On the one hand, you're right (with the minor caution that Neal isn't much of a forechecker).

On the other hand, given where the complaints were about coaching 3-4 weeks ago-- LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS-- you can't deny that there hasn't been some growth, at long last, as far as Bylsma goes. Not as much as we'd really, really like, but solid growth nonetheless.
By forechecker I simply mean someone who when he goes into the zone is more focused on getting the puck in deep or keeping it in the zone rather than finding places to get open for a shot. He's a role player as long as Jeffrey is his C, simple as that. Bennett is much less dangerous as well in the sense that he can create his own offense, but D know he's the only one on that line who can. Put Sutter in there and Jeffrey in his natural spot (3C) and the problems go away.

The only thing I can think of is they don't trust Jeffrey to play a physical enough game at 3C or something, but it's not like Sutter is out there banging bodies either.

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Based on that I think NBC is wrong. I don't think it has anything to do with Marchand's stick work or else Letang would've immediately done what all players do when they get wacked on the hand or wrist... throw their glove down and hold their hand. Too me the hunching over suggests something else. We'll see.
It's his left leg. I can't tell what happen to it though.

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Letang and Achilles: I don't think there's any chance of that at all. He'd have been lifting his skate off the ice right away, not hunching over at the waist.

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At this rate we'll finish the season on 70 points I believe.

I also didn't realise how far ahead the three of Montreal, Pittsburgh and Boston were from the rest of the east.

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I tend to agree with you, KIRK. I've see some 2-3 forecheck, good puck support, and more aggression on the PK in the last 5 or 6 games. The d-zone can still look like a hot mess from time to time because of our silly "puck fronting at all costs" scheme. But it's definitely a major improvement.
I don't disagree about the d-zone, but the puck fronting no longer seems to be combined with that convoluted zone coverage scheme that the Pens had been running. Seems like a lot less chasing than that, more keeping play to the perimeter and making sure the net is protected.

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+ Paul Martin best player on the ice
+ Vokoun, love his glove hand
+ Team defense
+ End of a perfect week against some tough competition

-Letang hurt

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