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Would Grabovski and a 2nd get a deal done for Lu?
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Only way Grabovski for Luongo deal goes down IMO is if the Leafs take salary back in the deal. 1-1.5m. Otherwise our cap structure is much more uncomfortable in the next season or two.

Then we would do it, I think.

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^ I would do it.

Grabo + Scrivens + 2nd is fine for me.

Next year we will have enough young players ready to make an impact that we can afford to lose guys like Raymond, Higgins and Lappierre.

With Luongo and Ballard out, and Grabovski in our line-up would look like this before signings/re-signings.

Daniel - Henrik - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Hansen
_____ - Grabovski - Kassian
_____ - ______ - ______

Hamhuis - Garrison
Edler - Bieksa
____ - _____

Schneider
Lack


That leaves us with 7.18 Million to spend on filling those holes. (Keep in mind we still have Jensen under contract at 894k who could fill a spot maybe)

The only key RFA's are Schroeder and Tanev who shouldn't cost us all that much. The rest are rookies like Connaution and Rodin, exc. The the UFA's are Higgins, Lappy, Raymond and then depth guys like Alberts, Barker, Ebbett, exc.

I think we would manage to fill those holes just fine with that much space.

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03-22-2013, 03:14 AM
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That leaves us with 7.18 Million to spend on filling those holes. (Keep in mind we still have Jensen under contract at 894k who could fill a spot maybe)

The only key RFA's are Schroeder and Tanev who shouldn't cost us all that much. The rest are rookies like Connaution and Rodin, exc. The the UFA's are Higgins, Lappy, Raymond and then depth guys like Alberts, Barker, Ebbett, exc.

I think we would manage to fill those holes just fine with that much space.
9 players include 1 spare forward and 2 spare d from $7.18m? Tanev could get $2.5m+ and he'd deserve it. Schroeder will be getting ~900. We are talking about some pretty rotten players filling out the roster with the need for 7 players and just $3.7m. Can you even get 500K players anymore?

edit: no you can't $550,000 new minimum for next year


Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Tom Sestito ($0.666m) / Jordan Schroeder ($0.851m) / Dale Weise ($0.677m)
Andrew Gordon ($0.550m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Chris Tanev ($2.501m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Cam Barker ($0.700m)
Derek Joslin ($0.735m) /
GOALTENDERS
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)

97K over


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03-22-2013, 03:39 AM
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9 players include 1 spare forward and 2 spare d from $7.18m? Tanev could get $2.5m+ and he'd deserve it. Schroeder will be getting ~900. We are talking about some pretty rotten players filling out the roster with the need for 7 players and just $3.7m. Can you even get 500K players anymore?

edit: no you can't $550,000 new minimum for next year


Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Tom Sestito ($0.666m) / Jordan Schroeder ($0.851m) / Dale Weise ($0.677m)
Andrew Gordon ($0.550m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Chris Tanev ($2.501m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Cam Barker ($0.700m)
Derek Joslin ($0.735m) /
GOALTENDERS
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)

97K over
Do you really think Chris Tanev will get that much? His deal will probably be a bridge contract, and MG will get him to buy in.

Here's what I got.

FORWARDS

Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($0.900m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Tom Sestito ($0.666m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) / Dale Weise ($0.677m)
Steve Pinizzotto ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN

Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Andrew Alberts ($0.700m) / Chris Tanev ($2.000m)
Cam Barker ($0.700m) /

GOALTENDERS

Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $338,000


Then we also have Nicklas Jensen, Frank Corrado and Kevin Connaution who might be able to contribute. Corrado CH is just under 600k, Jensen's is 894K and Connaution is an RFA so who knows what his will be, probably somewhere around 600-650k.

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If we can get do something around Grabo for Lou that'd be great. Then all I'd want is a bonafide top 6 forward to play with Kesler. Not any David Booth ****. If we could just get that solid winger that is top 6 quality then I'm fine with having that last spot in the top 6 be a revolving door.

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Do you really think Chris Tanev will get that much? His deal will probably be a bridge contract, and MG will get him to buy in.
3 years 2.5m, I'd do that. It's hard to see him not living up to it.

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Here's what I got.

FORWARDS

Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($0.900m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Tom Sestito ($0.666m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) / Dale Weise ($0.677m)
Steve Pinizzotto ($0.600m)
SPACE (22-man roster): $338
I don't see a realistic way to keep both Booth and Grabovski at full price. Best hope is save $2m and keep Higgins.

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03-22-2013, 06:11 AM
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Why are we making accommodate to Grabovski's bloated salary? Alberts and Ebbett a mainstay in the lineup? Do we really want to revisit the Rome years of 'excellence' to shoe in Mikhail Grabovski? We have already witnessed an early display our their talents - it has not been pretty. We are weaker without Raymond and Higgins from those rosters posted, then we are stronger with Grabovski. He also does not play wing. Last I recall the Leafs tried it and it did not work. Not to mention it defeats the entire purpose in acquiring him.

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Would Grabovski and a 2nd get a deal done for Lu?
Keep some salary and we can dance, otherwise not interested as far as I am concerned.

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3 years 2.5m, I'd do that. It's hard to see him not living up to it.



I don't see a realistic way to keep both Booth and Grabovski at full price. Best hope is save $2m and keep Higgins.
Completely agree and we're not spending 5 million on a third line center.

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I have a feeling Gillis is holding out for someone who plays in the same league as the Canucks.

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I have a feeling Gillis is holding out for someone who plays in the same league as the Canucks.
And hasn't balked at coming over twice already...

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Here's what I'd take for Lou

Van

Forsberg
Neuvirth
Ribeiro
Hendricks

Was

Luongo
Perhaps a 2nd to even it out?


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Van

Forsberg
Neuvirth
Ribeiro
Hendricks

Was

Luongo
Perhaps a 2nd to even it out?

I know we all want that to be Lui's value but there is no way that's what the return would be. If Washington wants to make a run at things they'll want to keep Ribeiro (he's been their best player).

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I know we all want that to be Lui's value but there is no way that's what the return would be. If Washington wants to make a run at things they'll want to keep Ribeiro (he's been their best player).
Washington is 13th in the conference, so I don't think they'll want to "make a run at things".

But they can probably get a 1st for Ribeiro, and perhaps want to go that route.

At the very least we need

Neuvirth
Hendricks (LH faceoff W/C, would be great for the 4th line and hopefully the Canucks could try to resign)
Good prospect (Forsberg may be shooting for the moon but we need to build for the future as well)

Pretty crappy return if we could have had Kadri last June. Guess we'll see how things unfold on the 3rd.

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Washington is 13th in the conference, so I don't think they'll want to "make a run at things".

But they can probably get a 1st for Ribeiro, and perhaps want to go that route.

At the very least we need

Neuvirth
Hendricks (LH faceoff W/C, would be great for the 4th line and hopefully the Canucks could try to resign)
Good prospect (Forsberg may be shooting for the moon but we need to build for the future as well)

Pretty crappy return if we could have had Kadri last June. Guess we'll see how things unfold on the 3rd.
I'm just saying that Washington isn't going to go after Lui to miss the playoffs. If they beat the Jets tonight they'll be 5 pts back of the division lead with one game in hand.

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I'm just saying that Washington isn't going to go after Lui to miss the playoffs. If they beat the Jets tonight they'll be 5 pts back of the division lead with one game in hand.
5 points back is a fair bit behind. But sure, if they go on a huge run they may try to make the playoffs. If not they may decide it's time to focus on the future, and Luongo would stabilize their goaltending situation nicely. Whether their ownership group is prepared to take on that contract who knows.

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I think to take Grabo at full salary I'd want to do Luongo and a 2nd or 3rd for Grabovski and a 1st.

The Leafs are going to end up in the playoffs so it's not like we're asking for some kind of franchise altering piece here.

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Neuvirth
Ribeiro
Hendricks

Was

Luongo
Perhaps a 2nd to even it out?
Not a chance Washington does this.

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Not a chance Washington does this.
Uggh, if Ribiero was the centrepiece of the return for trading Lu I'd off myself.

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Uggh, if Ribiero was the centrepiece of the return for trading Lu I'd off myself.
I don't know, that seems like a decent offer. High-end prospect + Ribeiro to make us more of a play-off factor this season.

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I don't know, that seems like a decent offer. High-end prospect + Ribeiro to make us more of a play-off factor this season.
Yeah I'm just...not a Ribeiro fan. He looks like a movie villain:


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I wouldn't call Ribeiro "the centrepiece" when his deal expires in three months and you have a young NHLer and a great prospect included as well.

He'd have the biggest immediate impact by a huge margin of course but there's a pretty strong futures component.

I don't know. If we could deal Luongo and a pick for

a 'top six' forward that produces like a first liner and addresses a positional weakness
a role player
a young player already in the NHL, and
a high end prospect

I'd be pretty freaking happy with that return.

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Yeah I'm just...not a Ribeiro fan. He looks like a movie villain:

Good. We played our best hockey when we embraced the hate. That was our identity - being hated and not giving a flying ****. Ribeiro, Kesler, Burrows, Lapierre? It can happen again! Normally, I'd ask why Washington would do this, but if they believe Ribs is going to walk. They're essentially acquiring Luongo for free.

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Uggh, if Ribiero was the centrepiece of the return for trading Lu I'd off myself.
Forsberg would be the center piece of that proposal.

I'd do it.

Ribeiro helps now, Forsberg is a solid prospect with definite NHL upside, Hendricks and Neuvirth both fill needs.

I know we need a goalie, but I don't much like Neuvirth and would like to see us get a pick too...don't know if we need hendricks if we get Ribeiro, with Kesler, Hank, and Lappy we're more than solid at Center, and that's not including Schroeder who IMO has a spot there.

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