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03-18-2013, 11:29 AM
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This market is shrinking?...prove it.
Ladies & Gentlemen, may I present the only person who isn't aware that Buffalo is a shrinking market. (and so righteously indignant about it, too)

Psssst, check your census data. You'll be alarmed.


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03-18-2013, 11:37 AM
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Ladies & Gentlemen, may I present the only person who isn't aware that Buffalo is a shrinking market.

(Psssst, check your census data. You'll be alarmed.)
Per capita income is going up!

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Ladies & Gentlemen, may I present the only person who isn't aware that Buffalo is a shrinking market.

(Psssst, check your census data. You'll be alarmed.)
The population gain in Southern Ontario exceeds the population loss in the Buffalo / Niagara CSA.

But you can ignore that if it's easier to make you point.

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Per capita income is going up!
Outpacing COL/inflation?

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i have the 25 dollar a game Bills season tickets. Best deal around.

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03-18-2013, 12:12 PM
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Outpacing COL/inflation?
No but it also doesn't take into account the lower cost of living which gives the average Buffalo sports fan a higher purchasing power than fans in larger markets. Since your question is about ticket sales and not revenue it would regionalize the question and negate inflation to a degree (in the sense that the percent difference isn't large enough to unbalance purchasing power). ie a Sabres fan can barebones it for less and is therefore more likely to commit disposable/impulse income on a game night vs the other 2 things to do in Buffalo.

Basically I'm gonna go to a Sabres game cause what else am I gonna do mid winter? Spending that money on the Bills is still a much less attractive idea. Unless by some miracle the Bills get it right and win the division there will always be 18,000 people who believe Pegula is a better option than Ralph.

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No but it also doesn't take into account the lower cost of living which gives the average Buffalo sports fan a higher purchasing power than fans in larger markets.
I used to believe that when i first moved here. Then I discovered that what many locals say is true: The low cost of living brag is a bit of a farce, as the taxes here, particularly property taxes, are outrageous. If you own a house in the Buffalo metro, there's a good chance you're paying on your house 2/3 the cost of taxes on a house that's 3X your value in a big metro. Or basically double the percentage taxes if you use an even ratio.

Much cheaper cost of living? On the face, yes. In reality? Not much.

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I used to believe that when i first moved here. Then I discovered that what many locals say is true: The low cost of living brag is a bit of a farce, as the taxes here, particularly property taxes, are outrageous. If you own a house in the Buffalo metro, there's a good chance you're paying on your house 2/3 the cost of taxes on a house that's 3X your value in a big metro. Or basically double the percentage taxes if you use an even ratio.

Much cheaper cost of living? On the face, yes. In reality? Not much.
What's the property tax in WNY? I pay 3.8% here in San Antonio and only because I'm not within the actual city limits or I'd tack on an additional .4%. Of course, I'm not paying state income tax and sales tax is lower, not to mention the sin taxes on alcohol, cigarettes, cigars, and gasoline are significantly lower.

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What's the property tax in WNY? I pay 3.8% here in San Antonio and only because I'm not within the actual city limits or I'd tack on an additional .4%. Of course, I'm not paying state income tax and sales tax is lower, not to mention the sin taxes on alcohol, cigarettes, cigars, and gasoline are significantly lower.
You could keep going and going and going and going with how NY is gouging and gouging and gouging.

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03-18-2013, 09:38 PM
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I used to believe that when i first moved here. Then I discovered that what many locals say is true: The low cost of living brag is a bit of a farce, as the taxes here, particularly property taxes, are outrageous. If you own a house in the Buffalo metro, there's a good chance you're paying on your house 2/3 the cost of taxes on a house that's 3X your value in a big metro. Or basically double the percentage taxes if you use an even ratio.

Much cheaper cost of living? On the face, yes. In reality? Not much.
I'm sorry you decided to be a homeowner. Rent. Plus your house would be worth 3X it's value in a different market.


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In a way it has.....you can get pretty cheap tickets off places like stubhub. I was able to score $50 tickets in an area they used to be $70 or so.

This doesn't impact the sabres ownership since they aren't losing that money. But people are not paying as much for tickets as they used to. If it holds up eventually that will bleed over to actually effect ownership, but that will take a while since the long wait on season ticket list.

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I'm sorry you decided to be a homeowner. Rent.
Don't be sorry, as I am still building equity and my home value has only increased thanks to being in a nice burb with the top school district. Renting is just money down the drain. Regardless, the point was simply that this idea that Buffalo has such a great advantage because of a "low cost of living" is mythical.

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Plus your house would be worth 3X it's value in a different market.
LOL. That means something.


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