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03-17-2013, 04:47 PM
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Matt Read

Knowing that the flyers need a puck moving d-man or goalie, that is the best offer you would give this year?

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03-17-2013, 05:01 PM
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Wouldn't mind him on the 'Nucks what would it take? How about Read+ for Lu?

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If you are talking about Read, then maybe Klesla, Morris, or Stone would be on the table. That's about it.


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If you are talking about Read, then maybe Klesla, Morris, or Stone would be on the table. That's about it.
What makes Rundblad or Gormley worth that much more than Read?

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03-17-2013, 05:17 PM
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What makes Rundblad or Gormley worth that much more than Read?
Younger, more complete skillset, and top-pairing potential.

Read simply is not the type of asset that would net you a blue-chip D, not even close.

If you want Rundblad, it needs to start with Simmonds or Voracek. Anything less would not even get you an return call. Gormley's value is even somewhat higher, although he's more expendable (one of him and Yandle probably would be moved at some point in the next two years, due to the logjam on the left side.

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What makes Rundblad or Gormley worth that much more than Read?
Read is a UFA in a year. That severely hurts his value.

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03-17-2013, 05:22 PM
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Read is a UFA in a year. That severely hurts his value.
Yeah, definitely that also.


And you don't really expect a team in Phx's situation to overpay on a contract, do you?

We need long term cost controlled assets, not those that are due for large raises soon.

Ppl really need to stop and think, and know a little bit about the other team, before making braindead offers.

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03-17-2013, 05:25 PM
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Raphael Diaz is the best you can get!

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I'd do Tyutin for Read/Meszaros and a pick

Flyers get a puck moving D to help them now and going forward, CBJ get scoring which helps them now and Read is young enough to be a part of the rebuild there.

Mez is there to make the money work, but since his deal is up after next year, that helps the CBJ who have Erixon, Moore, Golubef, on the rise this year not to mention Ryan Murray next year and probably want to move of their big D contracts.

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03-17-2013, 05:34 PM
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Not for Read. Montreal has depth at forward, they don't really need Read, who probably doesn't crack our top-9. Hell, Diaz has a better points-per-game than him from the blue line.

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Younger, more complete skillset, and top-pairing potential.

Read simply is not the type of asset that would net you a blue-chip D, not even close.

If you want Rundblad, it needs to start with Simmonds or Voracek. Anything less would not even get you an return call. Gormley's value is even somewhat higher, although he's more expendable (one of him and Yandle probably would be moved at some point in the next two years, due to the logjam on the left side.
Right. A current top-10 scorer and the player with the most PIM in the league with 20 or more points. Rundblad and Gormley are studs but that is absurd. Obviously that means they're pretty close to untouchable, which I understand.

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It's a market that has high value on defensemen at the moment, too. So we really aren't going to be getting that much for Read unless he was packaged. Given his contract, it seems smarter to keep the kid unless trading him at the deadline before his contract expires if we think he'll be pricing himself out of town. To have a forward signed for $900k who can fit into the top-6, bottom-6, PK and PP is excellent especially for a team spending to the cap like the Flyers.

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I would send Bishop to Philly for Read when Anderson is healthy.

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03-17-2013, 05:58 PM
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I'd do Tyutin for Read/Meszaros and a pick

Flyers get a puck moving D to help them now and going forward, CBJ get scoring which helps them now and Read is young enough to be a part of the rebuild there.

Mez is there to make the money work, but since his deal is up after next year, that helps the CBJ who have Erixon, Moore, Golubef, on the rise this year not to mention Ryan Murray next year and probably want to move of their big D contracts.
While Tyutin is a pretty decent underrated guy, this is too much for him from us. He's too old for what we are looking for in a NHL roster trade.

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03-17-2013, 06:00 PM
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Right. A current top-10 scorer and the player with the most PIM in the league with 20 or more points. Rundblad and Gormley are studs but that is absurd. Obviously that means they're pretty close to untouchable, which I understand.
Exactly, completely absurd.

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I would send Bishop to Philly for Read when Anderson is healthy.
I like that a lot actually. Makes sense for both clubs.

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I like that a lot actually. Makes sense for both clubs.
Not impressed with Bishop, I'd rather have one of the other 2 sens G. I realize that's probably not "for Read".

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I think trading Read for anything more than an overpayment is a mistake. He's currently cheap and a vital part of the forward corp. Without Read, this team has zero depth at forward. He is a key factor to any line that he plays on and is a huge part in making a line productive. He can be slotted anywhere in the top 9.

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Something based around Rundblad and Klesla for Read and Laughton?

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Something based around Rundblad and Klesla for Read and Laughton?
Are you a PHX fan? I'd probably do this as a Flyers fan.

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Younger, more complete skillset, and top-pairing potential.

Read simply is not the type of asset that would net you a blue-chip D, not even close.

If you want Rundblad, it needs to start with Simmonds or Voracek. Anything less would not even get you an return call. Gormley's value is even somewhat higher, although he's more expendable (one of him and Yandle probably would be moved at some point in the next two years, due to the logjam on the left side.
I think your sense of Rundblad's and Gormley's respective values is a little out of whack.

Kyle Turris netted you Rundblad + 2nd. Simmonds and Voracek are both more established players than Turris not to mention Turris was coming off a major dispute w/ PHX at the time of the trade. Rundblad has done nothing of note to increase his value since that trade, so I don't see how you could possibly expect Rundblad straight up to get you Simmonds or Voracek.

I also don't see how Gormley is of similar value to Couturier, being that he has yet to crack the NHL and isn't exactly setting the world on fire in the AHL... but that's just my opinion.

I'd say no to anything around Couturier and Gormley and hell no to anything around Voracek or Simmonds for Gormley or Rundblad.

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Would something around Jason Demers for Matt Read work?

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03-17-2013, 07:04 PM
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Would something around Jason Demers for Matt Read work?
I could work with that. Personally, I don't like Demers that much. I'm not sure SJS would really do this though.

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Younger, more complete skillset, and top-pairing potential.

Read simply is not the type of asset that would net you a blue-chip D, not even close.

If you want Rundblad, it needs to start with Simmonds or Voracek. Anything less would not even get you an return call. Gormley's value is even somewhat higher, although he's more expendable (one of him and Yandle probably would be moved at some point in the next two years, due to the logjam on the left side.
Interesting. Age and ceiling are obviously advantages for Rundblad and Gormley, but there's also a higher "bust potential," right? In any case, that potential has to be weighed against Read's superior production to date (and safely projected into the future).

I'm curious though, how did you determine Rundblad to have the more complete skillset? If anything, he seems to have the most one-dimensional game at this point, though I expect his play in his own end will improve over time.

Read gets minutes on both the PP and the PK, and can play either center or wing. I'm not certain either Gormley or Rundblad have a more well-rounded game, but I'm particularly skeptical Rundblad does.

Anyway, the contract is a legitimate concern. I assumed that the bargain-basement deal for this season and next would offset the fact that he isn't signed long-term, but if that's a dealbreaker, I'd understand.

I think Rundblad and Read probably hold roughly equal value. Gormley has the highest ceiling of the three, so I can understand the case for his value being beyond a reasonable Read +.

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I could work with that. Personally, I don't like Demers that much. I'm not sure SJS would really do this though.
Yeah, I'm not interested in moving Demers at all. Braun, I'd do.

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Yeah, I'm not interested in moving Demers at all. Braun, I'd do.
Yea, we are good, thanks

I think part of the problem with people trying to trade with the Flyers is the ONLY thing we want is a top flight defenseman. There isn't much point in doing anything else as a trade, because we can just BUY anything else...

Not saying its easy/cheap to get, but most of the guys being offered are not #1 potential...IMO.

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