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03-21-2013, 10:00 PM
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I think they'll give him 3 starts to start the season. If he hasn't turned things around, they'll give Happ a shot.
I'd agree with this but I'd wager that if he's absolutely brutal in his first two starts he may not get that 3rd start.

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03-22-2013, 10:38 AM
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Nah I just mean that there's always guys who work on certain pitches for the first couple starts of spring and get lit up since everyone knows what's coming.

This is a guy using his full repertoire and absolutely nothing works.
Oh. I was thinking that he was using his breaking balls, and thats whats leading to so many walks, and then (I assume) his breaking balls also, sometimes, wouldnt break, which would make him get hit pretty hard. I thought that might be the problem.

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John Lott writes that Gibbons is leanings towards keeping Blanco over Thole and Cecil as the final bullpen spot.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/...-roster-spots/

I expected that.

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03-22-2013, 01:10 PM
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Jays claim Todd Redmond.

Made his major league debut this previous season and has been mostly a starter in Triple A. So basically, filler depth. They will probably keep him on the 40 man roster unless they find someone better to claim.

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Todd Redmond was immediately optioned to Buffalo after #Bluejays claimed him on waivers. Drew Hutchison to 60-day DL to make room. #Jays

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A really strong start for Happ today:

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J.A. Happ today vs. a minor-league Red Sox lineup: 6IP, 2H, 0R, 2BB, 3K, 85 pitches, 51 strikes. Janssen in.
Obviously its only a minor league lineup, but look at the last outing Ricky had against a minor league team.

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03-22-2013, 01:57 PM
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A really strong start for Happ today:



Obviously its only a minor league lineup, but look at the last outing Ricky had against a minor league team.
Its just apring training but Happ is doing something Romero isn't. Throwing strikes.

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03-22-2013, 02:32 PM
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A really strong start for Happ today:



Obviously its only a minor league lineup, but look at the last outing Ricky had against a minor league team.
Is it time to re-visit? Man, these next 2 starts for Romero will prove make or break.

I can't believe a guy of his caliber has just completely fallen off a cliff. Really like the guy and hope that he can pull himself together.

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ESPN top 500 ran through 300 to 201 today:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/90...13-nos-201-300

231) Ricky Romero (down from 77 last year)
203) Melky Cabrera (up from 258)

Ricky's ranking seems to be in part because of how high he was last year (and not wanting to drop him like 100+ spots) and in part "he can't possibly be as bad as last year, right?", except that as you'll see below, others have fallen off just as hard, if not harder)

Also of note, Yunel Escobar pops up at 275 (down from 203 last year), the once-and-never Blue Jay Mike Napoli plummeted from 56th to 253rd, and Shaun Marcum went from 130 down to 237.

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Really thought Melky would be in the top 150 , weird. Do people believe when he's clean he will be not very good ?

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03-22-2013, 03:26 PM
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Really thought Melky would be in the top 150 , weird. Do people believe when he's clean he will be not very good ?
Pretty much.

his 2012 season in SF and his 2011 with the Royals were both significantly better than his prior season with the Yankees and Braves (though his 2009 with the Yankees was pretty solid)

It all comes down to whether or not you believe the jump in his non-power related numbers over the last couple years are also PED-enhanced. Or that the sudden jump in plate discipline and contact and the like is legitimate. Though FWIW both seasons had ridiculously high BABIP surges (.332 and .379 vs much more normal numbers in the .270-.290 range previously.) which doesn't bode well for him maintaining his last couple years' hitting, even allowing for a regression in his power output.

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03-22-2013, 03:49 PM
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Took Romero in my fantasy league come at me
Atleast you didn't trade Dickey for him in a keeper league...

This was before he had his melt downs last year and obviously before Dickey was traded to toronto.

Also had JJ in the same keeper league last year and traded him for Headley who is now out for atleast a month.

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Pretty much.

his 2012 season in SF and his 2011 with the Royals were both significantly better than his prior season with the Yankees and Braves (though his 2009 with the Yankees was pretty solid)

It all comes down to whether or not you believe the jump in his non-power related numbers over the last couple years are also PED-enhanced. Or that the sudden jump in plate discipline and contact and the like is legitimate. Though FWIW both seasons had ridiculously high BABIP surges (.332 and .379 vs much more normal numbers in the .270-.290 range previously.) which doesn't bode well for him maintaining his last couple years' hitting, even allowing for a regression in his power output.
It's not so much the direct power numbers I know will take a downward spike. It's the crazy line-drive rate he's maintained the last 1-2 years. If he can be the player he was in NY I'd be pretty satisfied though.

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03-22-2013, 04:04 PM
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http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index...mlb_1&mode=box

happ 6 2 0 0 2 3
janssen1 0 0 0 0 3
santos 1 0 0 0 1 3
rogers 1 0 0 0 0 0

who's worse?
romero 8.2 11 8 7 3 7 7.27
morrow 9.2 13 10 8 8 3 3 7.45
buehrle 13 21 9 9 3 7 6.23


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03-22-2013, 04:16 PM
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http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index...mlb_1&mode=box

happ 6 2 0 0 2 3
janssen1 0 0 0 0 3
santos 1 0 0 0 1 3
rogers 1 0 0 0 0 0

who's worse?
romero 8.2 11 8 7 3 7 7.27
morrow 9.2 13 10 8 8 3 3 7.45
buehrle 13 21 9 9 3 7 6.23
Those 2 don't concern me at all. They are just going through the motions in ST. In Morrow's case, that ERA is inflated because of one bad inning essentially against Houston. Irrelevant numbers.

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Really thought Melky would be in the top 150 , weird. Do people believe when he's clean he will be not very good ?
I think Melky will have a great year. I tried to get him in my fantasy league but being in a league with ten Jays fans he went for $20 which is too high.

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03-22-2013, 04:23 PM
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The thing with ST is pitchers are trying to develop new pitches, try new things, get their location going etc... they aren't going in trying to win game like it's opening night unless they're fighting for a spot. That's the same reason I'm not freaking out over Romero either... he's definitely trying new things as well. Until a pitcher has stats like that at the end of April I'm not worrying too much.

Morrow for example publicly said he was only throwing breaking balls in the ST opener.

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03-22-2013, 04:41 PM
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i'd kinda like to see this order:

reyes
bonifacio
cabrera
bautista
encarnacion

lind
lawrie
arencebia
rasmus


dominican madness!

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Wow heard happ in post game comments....doesnt sound like a happy camper. He should be number 5 no question.

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Ok guys, the fantasy league is made. It's a 12 team Head to Head league on Yahoo. League ID is 151793 and password is hfboards. The draft is at 12:00 pm EDT this sunday (March 24). I imagine that will be best for everyone, but am open to change it if majority prefers otherwise.

Also, let's try and join ASAP so I can do a random lottery for draft order, giving everybody a chance to do some mock drafts from their given draft position. Helps with pre-draft strategy a lot I find.

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Wow heard happ in post game comments....doesnt sound like a happy camper. He should be number 5 no question.
what he say?

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what he say?
I cant paraphrase but just sounded glum....just that it bothers him that he hasnt been given a real vote of confidence to be a starter.

Not what he said but what i picked up. Just didnt sound happy.

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I dont see how he cant and shouldnt be the 5th starter. If jays dont think so then let him go so he can find a starting position somewhere.

I am with Happ. Unfortunately his contract status hinders his choices at this point.

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He's entitled to his opinion. He's a major league pitcher (pen or starter), and he's being sent down to start in AAA. I can feel and understand his frustration. Romero has a track record with this organization however so he's been given enough rope to hog-tie an elephant which is reasonable. Happ just needs to wait for his opportunity. I have a feeling they'll squeeze him into the pen after a week or two if Jeffress doesn't cut it.

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hes not Happ-y
i would put him in long relief

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03-22-2013, 06:20 PM
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I dont see how he cant and shouldnt be the 5th starter. If jays dont think so then let him go so he can find a starting position somewhere.

I am with Happ. Unfortunately his contract status hinders his choices at this point.
It sucks but it is what it is. John Lannon experienced the same thing last year and Lannon is a better pitcher.

It's insane how ridiculous this situation is becoming. Ricky is a far far better pitcher when he is going right. Yes, he had a bad season but he was good for us for three years so lets not discount that. We're also talking about the 5th rotation spot, a spot that has many terrible starters around the league. If Romero finds his game back, he is the best 5th rotation pitcher and if he struggles like last year, yeah he is bad but is he significantly worse than the rest of the 5th guys? No. Romero has earned the chance to be in the rotation and no, his stats in spring ****ing training do not matter because they are completely useless.

J.A. Happ also isn't that great people. He has a 5.08 ERA the past two seasons combined in 301 IP and a 4.2 BB/9. Let's not pretend like he is some great pitcher. He is an average league pitcher and I don't know about you, but I would take Romero and his upside over a league average pitcher.

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It sucks but it is what it is. John Lannon experienced the same thing last year and Lannon is a better pitcher.

It's insane how ridiculous this situation is becoming. Ricky is a far far better pitcher when he is going right. Yes, he had a bad season but he was good for us for three years so lets not discount that. We're also talking about the 5th rotation spot, a spot that has many terrible starters around the league. If Romero finds his game back, he is the best 5th rotation pitcher and if he struggles like last year, yeah he is bad but is he significantly worse than the rest of the 5th guys? No. Romero has earned the chance to be in the rotation and no, his stats in spring ****ing training do not matter because they are completely useless.

J.A. Happ also isn't that great people. He has a 5.08 ERA the past two seasons combined in 301 IP and a 4.2 BB/9. Let's not pretend like he is some great pitcher. He is an average league pitcher and I don't know about you, but I would take Romero and his upside over a league average pitcher.
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