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03-31-2013, 02:23 AM
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Socially to the left, fiscally to the right.

Overall, I end up between all parties. No point in the playing the game, really.

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03-31-2013, 05:56 AM
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03-31-2013, 06:03 AM
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Independent voter.
Over here I have a choice between the Nationalists, Socialists, Liberal-Democrats, Christian democrats, Far left and Far right and Green who all have seats in the parliament. Never in my life have I voted twice in a row for the same party. They're all a bunch of morons.

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03-31-2013, 07:55 AM
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Independent voter.
Over here I have a choice between the Nationalists, Socialists, Liberal-Democrats, Christian democrats, Far left and Far right and Green who all have seats in the parliament. Never in my life have I voted twice in a row for the same party. They're all a bunch of morons.
I believe the word clusterfuck was invented to describe Belgian politics.


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These tests are always so full of false choises. Totally worthless.

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03-31-2013, 07:17 PM
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I believe the word clusterfuck was invented to describe Belgian politics.

Oh, but it gets much more interesting than that. Until the nineties, if one region received Federal money for infrastructure projects, the other one had to receive the same amount. This has led to the construction of some very useless things.
For example: a bridge over the train tracks for a motorway that was never built or this motherf***ing boat lift.




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As I guessed



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04-01-2013, 09:35 PM
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That's not really a question of left-vs-right politics though, it's a question of civic identity vs. ethnic identity.

America (and Canada) is more accepting of immigrants because it has a view on national identity primarily based upon shared values and most American nationalism is civic rather than ethnic in nature.

Europe has an entirely different starting point, excluding France and to some degree Britain, European nations have historically had a national identity almost entirely based upon shared ethnicity, such a society will be much more sceptical of immigrants and will have more difficulty integrating them.

That has absolutely nothing to do with left-right politics.
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As far as I am concerned, the left-right scale only relates to economic policy. It is too simplistic a model to accurately portray the entirety of the political spectrum accurately, the only thing it really shows is how likely someone is to agree or disagree with government intervention in the economy.
Right-wing is about conservative values. Ethnicity and nationalism play right into that. Left-wingers can be nationalistic too of course, but it tends to be more about the ideas behind it--that the cause makes sense, as opposed to, it's right just because.

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Apparently I'm practically a communist by American standards.

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Right-wing is about conservative values. Ethnicity and nationalism play right into that. Left-wingers can be nationalistic too of course, but it tends to be more about the ideas behind it--that the cause makes sense, as opposed to, it's right just because.
It depends on whether you see the left-right dichotomy as national or global, really. Personally, I only use it on a global scale so I don't see conservatism as part of it, since the ideology cannot be defined as global.

So I'd be closer to what Franck wrote, I suppose. But I absolutely agree that the model is way too simplistic.

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so apparently I'm practically communist because I consider gay people to be actual people.

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What's wrong with that question? I'd assume more liberals would say single parents can do a good job whereas social conservatives would say that the kid needs a mom and a dad or else it's a failure.
Now i got it thanks. Well as long as the Wages are so ****ed up I am totally against that statement. IN a world where prices go up but wages sta the same, noone can bring up a child in a humane way ...


Oh and yeah Belgium is a cluster****. Way to go on not having a government

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so apparently I'm practically communist because I consider gay people to be actual people.
******s are contrary to our reproductive instincts. In doing so, they are contrary to nature and are thus representative of an abomination.

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It depends on whether you see the left-right dichotomy as national or global, really. Personally, I only use it on a global scale so I don't see conservatism as part of it, since the ideology cannot be defined as global.

So I'd be closer to what Franck wrote, I suppose. But I absolutely agree that the model is way too simplistic.
I think right-wingers are resistant to change, and so economic and social issues coincide somewhat. The economic status quo of a sort of mitigated capitalism has been the economic paradigm since the Industrial Revolution and Reformation, and that is what right-wingers want to maintain indefinitely.

The political compass is a better model because it has authoritarianism, and libertarianism plus anarchism as another axis.

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I think right-wingers are resistant to change, and so economic and social issues coincide somewhat. The economic status quo of a sort of mitigated capitalism has been the economic paradigm since the Industrial Revolution and Reformation, and that is what right-wingers want to maintain indefinitely.
Well yes, but that's because they believe in liberalism, so they're not going to advocate change. But at some point, their opponents were the "conservatives", which is why I do not think it works on a global scale.

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Well yes, but that's because they believe in liberalism, so they're not going to advocate change. But at some point, their opponents were the "conservatives", which is why I do not think it works on a global scale.
Economic liberalism is now part of conservativism in addition to social conservativism. When people call liberals leftist in North America I think of it as actually more centrist.

The global, or universal, scale is not a useful one IMO since political axes are context-dependent rather than something purely abstract. If one tries to come up with a single model that cuts across all of history there would be no rhyme or reason to it. Each political position needs to be considered in the context of its own time or else it loses its significance as a political stance.

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Overall, slightly left independent. That's what's on my voting papers. Independent. Economically I'm rather conservative but socially and culturally I'm more progressive.

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The global, or universal, scale is not a useful one IMO since political axes are context-dependent rather than something purely abstract. If one tries to come up with a single model that cuts across all of history there would be no rhyme or reason to it. Each political position needs to be considered in the context of its own time or else it loses its significance as a political stance.
The problem here is that the left and right are purely abstract models at inception, and not understanding how they are conceived makes it harder to understand how they operates in "reality". The right operates under certain values that shape global interactions and the units - here the States - that coexist in the international system. Same for the left, although it's even more abstract as we don't have any evidence of what a socialist system would look like.

And I agree with your second point, but I'd say the global scale is context-dependent, which I also don't think it's exactly opposed to being abstract, honestly. The thing with conservatism is that it's not really that, because it's a common reaction through history when systemic changes happen. Liberalism however, relates to a specific time in history, same with socialism.

The other problem is that I don't quite agree that we associate economic liberalism with conservatism. I think the majority of political parties are economic liberals anyway, with some differences that, on the whole, don't really affect liberal values. So, to me, you can recognize liberals through borders because, even with those differences, you have an idea of what a liberal discourse sounds like. You won't find this similarity between an American conservative and a Pakistani conservative, for example.

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The other problem is that I don't quite agree that we associate economic liberalism with conservatism. I think the majority of political parties are economic liberals anyway, with some differences that, on the whole, don't really affect liberal values. So, to me, you can recognize liberals through borders because, even with those differences, you have an idea of what a liberal discourse sounds like. You won't find this similarity between an American conservative and a Pakistani conservative, for example.
Sorry, but Continental European liberalism and American liberalism have very little in common. These European parties support individual liberties, a laissez-faire economy and a small government. Naturally, they're considered right wingers. Sounds a lot like your libertarians, no?

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Pretty far left..

• There need to be stricter laws and regulations to protect the environment. - Completely Agree
• The government should help more needy people even if it means going deeper in debt. - Mostly Agree
• The growing number of newcomers from other countries threaten traditional American customs... - Completely Disagree
• I never doubt the existence of God. - Completely Disagree
• Business corporations make too much profit. - Completely Agree
• Gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry legally. - Completely Agree
• The government needs to do more to make health care affordable and accessible. - Completely Agree
• One parent can bring up a child as well as two parents together. - Mostly Agree
• Government regulation of business usually does more harm than good. - Mostly Disagree
• Abortion should be illegal in all or most cases. - Completely Disagree
• Labor unions are necessary to protect the working person. - Completely Agree
• Poor people have become too dependent on government assistance programs. - Mostly Disagree

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Sorry, but Continental European liberalism and American liberalism have very little in common. These European parties support individual liberties, a laissez-faire economy and a small government. Naturally, they're considered right wingers. Sounds a lot like your libertarians, no?
Both are for capitalism, individual liberties over the collective and a liberal democratic nation-State. They at the core aren't all that different.

That they understand some concepts differently doesn't change the fact that they are in agreement about what system should be in place.

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Following that logic there's barely any difference between liberalism, conservatism and social democracy, then.

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Following that logic there's barely any difference between liberalism, conservatism and social democracy, then.
Pretty much. Well, western conservatism at least.

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Socially somewhat liberal to middle of the road and quite fiscally conservative. These statements make me look more liberal than I am, I think.

• There need to be stricter laws and regulations to protect the environment. - Agree
• The government should help more needy people even if it means going deeper in debt. - Mostly Agree
• The growing number of newcomers from other countries threaten traditional American customs... - Disagree
• I never doubt the existence of God. - Disagree
• Business corporations make too much profit. - Completely Disagree
• Gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry legally. - Completely Agree
• The government needs to do more to make health care affordable and accessible. - Agree
• One parent can bring up a child as well as two parents together. - Mostly Agree
• Government regulation of business usually does more harm than good. - Mostly Agree
• Abortion should be illegal in all or most cases. - Mostly Disagree
• Labor unions are necessary to protect the working person. - Mostly Agree
• Poor people have become too dependent on government assistance programs. - Mostly Agree

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