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Just for fun -- Where do you fit in politically?

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04-05-2013, 12:58 AM
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A lot of those questions are too ambiguous. Like, CAN a single parent raise a child as well as two parents? Sure. On average, WILL a single parent raise a child as well as two parents? Definitely not.

I'd mostly agree that poor people in America have become too dependent on government assistance, but I think that question is probably suggesting that poor people are lazy and living off the government. I don't think that most poor people enjoy living on bare bones, but they generally lack the skills and resources to do better.

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A lot of those questions are too ambiguous. Like, CAN a single parent raise a child as well as two parents? Sure. On average, WILL a single parent raise a child as well as two parents? Definitely not.

I'd mostly agree that poor people in America have become too dependent on government assistance, but I think that question is probably suggesting that poor people are lazy and living off the government. I don't think that most poor people enjoy living on bare bones, but they generally lack the skills and resources to do better.
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A lot of those questions are too ambiguous. Like, CAN a single parent raise a child as well as two parents? Sure. On average, WILL a single parent raise a child as well as two parents? Definitely not.

I'd mostly agree that poor people in America have become too dependent on government assistance, but I think that question is probably suggesting that poor people are lazy and living off the government. I don't think that most poor people enjoy living on bare bones, but they generally lack the skills and resources to do better.
The quiz is just trying to figure out someone's ideology based on a few questions. Asking "can" will separate the liberals from the conservatives better than asking "will" would. So for this quiz I think the question works fine, liberals seem more likely to say a single parent CAN than conservatives.

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How can rights exist outside of government when without government the strongest can do anything they want to whomever they want without fear of repercussion? Your rights aren't worth **** without law and government. Societies and law are what seperate us from the Animal Kingdom - where there certainly is no such thing as "a right to life".

Obviously, civilization has progressed past the stone age. Your first paragraph is a situation that could never happen in this country, precisely because of the type of government and constitution that we have. The United States government is literally built on the idea that all people have these rights (and marriage is included in that as of 1966). In a more repressive government - or in an anarchy - these rights do not exist. History is littered with genocides and atrocities; I'm sure those killed were comforted by their "right to life".

If you want to call what the government calls a "right" a priviledge, that's fine. But then there are no true "rights" in the world. It is only law - written and enforced by some type of government (whether a local council or federal behemoth) - that provides the framework for you to exercise those rights. Without the ability to exercise them, they might as well not exist.
Some would say that rights are absolute. In a Hobbesian state of nature might makes right. Rights don't have to be framed in terms of individual rights.

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The problem here is that the left and right are purely abstract models at inception, and not understanding how they are conceived makes it harder to understand how they operates in "reality". The right operates under certain values that shape global interactions and the units - here the States - that coexist in the international system. Same for the left, although it's even more abstract as we don't have any evidence of what a socialist system would look like.

And I agree with your second point, but I'd say the global scale is context-dependent, which I also don't think it's exactly opposed to being abstract, honestly. The thing with conservatism is that it's not really that, because it's a common reaction through history when systemic changes happen. Liberalism however, relates to a specific time in history, same with socialism.

The other problem is that I don't quite agree that we associate economic liberalism with conservatism. I think the majority of political parties are economic liberals anyway, with some differences that, on the whole, don't really affect liberal values. So, to me, you can recognize liberals through borders because, even with those differences, you have an idea of what a liberal discourse sounds like. You won't find this similarity between an American conservative and a Pakistani conservative, for example.
Just what is abstract is a tough issue, and that makes explaining politics geometrically difficult. Generally the issues of politics are concrete and based on economics and society in a material sense. I would just add that we can refine our conception of a political model in part by looking at political differences from a historical vantage point. That might be obvious to some people but I just wanted to somewhat backpedal from my statement that political stances are necessarily contextual.

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04-08-2013, 05:20 AM
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Hmm. I've never voted "left" but according to that scale I'm a "commie". But of course with question such as those and so few of them you don't get any depth.

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Way left, but one thing to keep in mind is that the centre of this line would be on the right of most countries lines

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2 left for the quiz!naughty:

Yeah im a socialist scum!

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The scale only takes into account the two 'existential' parties in USA. I'm a libertarian.

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The scale only takes into account the two 'existential' parties in USA. I'm a libertarian.
I noticed this as well. They do not take into account the difference between libertarian perspectives on free market and corporations. Today, corporations are given special privileges that libertarians do not agree with.

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Apparently I'm a "Moderate Democrat".

I always thought of myself as a Libertarian.

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Did this as If I was American and got just above moderate Republican.

On Economic I'm a Conservative Republican and Social I'm a Liberal Democrat

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