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03-18-2013, 10:35 PM
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Regehr and Weber

*This is one thread for two separate topics, but because both involve the defense, I figured I'd consolidate them.

1) Regehr has, in my opinion, not played all that poorly this year. Yes, he's lost a step. But he's still going.

Given the state of the defense next year, should he be retained on a lesser contract? Considering that Pysyk/McNabb may very well be on the team, having a veteran playing bottom-pairing minutes alongside them couldn't hurt, right?

2) Weber's season has been a revelation considering how poorly he played last year, I think. I'm not sure he's capable of playing as well as he has on a season-to-season basis, but I certainly think he's earned himself a new contract this summer.

What kind of deal is he looking at?



Lastly, I don't entirely know how to calculate/find advanced stats, but are there any stats that back up my claim that both guys have played rather well? Maybe not so much Regehr, but Weber? The defense as a whole has been awful, but I don't think either guy has been a regular reason behind that.

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*This is one thread for two separate topics, but because both involve the defense, I figured I'd consolidate them.

1) Regehr has, in my opinion, not played all that poorly this year. Yes, he's lost a step. But he's still going.

Given the state of the defense next year, should he be retained on a lesser contract? Considering that Pysyk/McNabb may very well be on the team, having a veteran playing bottom-pairing minutes alongside them couldn't hurt, right?

2) Weber's season has been a revelation considering how poorly he played last year, I think. I'm not sure he's capable of playing as well as he has on a season-to-season basis, but I certainly think he's earned himself a new contract this summer.

What kind of deal is he looking at?



Lastly, I don't entirely know how to calculate/find advanced stats, but are there any stats that back up my claim that both guys have played rather well? Maybe not so much Regehr, but Weber? The defense as a whole has been awful, but I don't think either guy has been a regular reason behind that.
1.) Depends, but I'd lean towards letting RR walk and go to a contender. Let the rebuild bloom in full with the young guys.

2.) 2 years, $3-4 million feels right for Weber. He's proven he can handle 6th man minutes at this point. Assuming Leo and RR walk, I'm comfortable sending the following out:

Myers-Sekera (please god let the new coach figure this out)
Ehrhoff-McNabb
Pysyk-Weber
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03-18-2013, 10:57 PM
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I don't want Regehr back, as he has looked old, slow, and not serviceable.

We can find a much younger guy to take up space. He doesn't play nasty anymore, nor does he hit with any high regularity. If you want a veteran presence, bring in a guy who's a vet but brings something we need or don't have...like a PP specialist, or someone who can rush the puck up the ice, etc.


Weber has looked much better than any of his prior seasons. I think he's still in need of improvements in certain areas, and I think his "good play" has been accented by a **** unit, but he's not a problem thus far

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03-18-2013, 11:00 PM
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I liked RR until I saw the article Woodhouse posted about why the Kings shouldn't want him. He just seams to drag everyone down that he plays with. Clean slate it. Resign Weber 2-3 years at 5/6 money and make room for new blood. Weber isn't winning you any hockey games anytime soon so I wouldn't bend over backwards to resign him.

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On Regehr .... If he moved on I wouldn't be upset. If he re-signed for 2 years at 2 mil/per cap hit, I wouldn't be upset.

On Weber .... At THIS point, 2 mil/per for him seems a little high IMO. But I can see 2-3 years at roughly 1.5 mil/per cap hit would be acceptable to me.



Both to be used as a 5 or 6.

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03-18-2013, 11:05 PM
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RR needs to go, time to clean out the oldies and bring in the young guns. We aren't winning a cup anytime soon. #getwiththeprogram

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Are there any vet options that can be had on the cheap in free agency in lieu of Regier?

With how awful the unit is overall, I'd like to think an experienced defenseman would help along the youth movement along the blueline.

I like Sekera, Weber and Ehrhoff, but I don't exactly trust them to be the guys to show Myers/Pysyk/McNabb the ropes (unless you feel that's not necessary).

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I don't want Regehr back, as he has looked old, slow, and not serviceable.

We can find a much younger guy to take up space. He doesn't play nasty anymore, nor does he hit with any high regularity. If you want a veteran presence, bring in a guy who's a vet but brings something we need or don't have...like a PP specialist, or someone who can rush the puck up the ice, etc.


Weber has looked much better than any of his prior seasons. I think he's still in need of improvements in certain areas, and I think his "good play" has been accented by a **** unit, but he's not a problem thus far
I'll echo this post and also add that since we already have a puck possession problem, keeping around a slowing vet like Regehr is not going to help us get to pucks and positions quicker, so we'll continue to stay hemmed in our zone when he's undoubtedly given d-zone starts as the go-to defensive d-man .. no thanks.

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*This is one thread for two separate topics, but because both involve the defense, I figured I'd consolidate them.

1) Regehr has, in my opinion, not played all that poorly this year. Yes, he's lost a step. But he's still going.

Given the state of the defense next year, should he be retained on a lesser contract? Considering that Pysyk/McNabb may very well be on the team, having a veteran playing bottom-pairing minutes alongside them couldn't hurt, right?

2) Weber's season has been a revelation considering how poorly he played last year, I think. I'm not sure he's capable of playing as well as he has on a season-to-season basis, but I certainly think he's earned himself a new contract this summer.

What kind of deal is he looking at?



Lastly, I don't entirely know how to calculate/find advanced stats, but are there any stats that back up my claim that both guys have played rather well? Maybe not so much Regehr, but Weber? The defense as a whole has been awful, but I don't think either guy has been a regular reason behind that.
By the good old-fashioned eyeball test I'd agree with you. Regehr isn't as quick as he once was, but he's still good at getting his stick in lanes, blocking shots, PKing, and is a bull along the boards. I definitely wouldn't mind keeping him around and having him partner with Pysyk next season. I also wouldn't mind trading him for picks so we can move up in the draft or just bolster the depth of our prospect pool (though we can also do that with Leo, and if we're only gonna move one of the 2, it definitely shouldn't be Regehr).

Re: Weber's next contract... I'd like to see something 2-3 years, no more just because he hasn't been consistent season-to-season yet, maybe around 2mil per?

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1.) Depends, but I'd lean towards letting RR walk and go to a contender. Let the rebuild bloom in full with the young guys.

2.) 2 years, $3-4 million feels right for Weber. He's proven he can handle 6th man minutes at this point. Assuming Leo and RR walk, I'm comfortable sending the following out:

Myers-Sekera (please god let the new coach figure this out)
Ehrhoff-McNabb
Pysyk-Weber
X
Pray tell, what the heck D would that truly be? Talk about zero experience on an NHL. If. That is the D than this team has many years of hurt.

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Team is probably battling for a playoff spot right now if Regehr and Gerbe were replaced by useful players. That's how bad they've been.

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Team is probably battling for a playoff spot right now if Regehr and Gerbe were replaced by useful players. That's how bad they've been.
Wait. Really?

Gerbe has been so detrimental that anyone in his stead means we are a playoff team?

That's so off.

He has been invisible, but certainly not nearly as much of a detriment as you're saying. That's quite the exaggeration regarding Nate. Invisible, yes. But not single handedly losing us games.

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On Regehr .... If he moved on I wouldn't be upset. If he re-signed for 2 years at 2 mil/per cap hit, I wouldn't be upset.

On Weber .... At THIS point, 2 mil/per for him seems a little high IMO. But I can see 2-3 years at roughly 1.5 mil/per cap hit would be acceptable to me.



Both to be used as a 5 or 6.
This, sort of. They're still useful, but in no way key players. I would look to move Regehr at deadline and re-sign Weber.

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Wait. Really?

Gerbe has been so detrimental that anyone in his stead means we are a playoff team?

That's so off.

He has been invisible, but certainly not nearly as much of a detriment as you're saying. That's quite the exaggeration regarding Nate. Invisible, yes. But not single handedly losing us games.
In some of the games this year the opposition has had the puck over 70% of the time Gerbe has been on the ice. Gerbe has been more than invisible in most games the puck has been in our zone the entire time he's been on the ice.

So yes I feel that if someone useful started the season in place of Grigorenko, Gerbe and Regehr that this team could very well be around the #8 spot. The East is that terrible and we've actually lost quite a few 1 goal games.

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I like Weber, I think as a 4th/5th dman he works, his a big, honest hard working guy. Regehr I think is becoming a little bit of a liability, I do want the Sabres to trade him for a shot at the cup.

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Weber seems to be useful as a 5/6. Overvaluing a contract for him outside of that role would not help yet they will have to buy a UFA year or two. 2-3 years at $1.9-2.2M is still squirm-inducing but about where I think he should be.

If they don't keep Weber, Regehr in the #5 hole is an option but at half his current salary might be an option if they don't deal him. Since that isn't likely, seeing what sort of return they could get from a possible shortlist of teams interested in him for a playoff run out west seems like the best course of action. LA has some injury issues, St. Louis seems to be interested. Heck, even a team in the East that isn't a long flight away might be an option now that he's moved the family to WNY.

It may be cause for worry that he has a NMC and we don't know what sort of assurances were made to him to come here in the first place.

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Both guys are solid, serviceable 5/6 players. Not 20+ minutes a night players for different reasons, but out of all the issues on this team, these guys aren't even in the top 10.

If they're around for the right price, no issues at all keeping one or both.

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Myers
Ehrhoff
Sekera

Weber - RFA

Sulzer and Pardy - UFA

Regehr and Leopold likely to both be traded

McNabb, Pysyk - the only D prospects likely NHL ready

We need a acquire a big nasty to fill a #3/4/5 spot.........trade or UFA

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Trade Regehr

Re-sign Weber to a cap friendly long term deal

3 yrs / 7 million / 2.333 cap

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I can't help but wonder what Weber's presence is in the locker room.

With the possibility of leadership turnover on this roster, could he be in line for a letter? His game certainly resembles that of a leader.

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Get rid of Regehr at the deadline. Re-sign Weber for a few years at a reasonable price.

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Regehr can go. Weber can come back as a 5/6 in the $2 million ballpark.

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I've always liked Weber. Fine with him in the bottom pairing and killing penalties.

But we gotta play him on the left side.

With so many LHD on the roster, Weber mostly plays his off-side, on the right. When he gets pressured and has to move the puck quickly up the boards, he has this terrible habit of attempting a weak backhand flip (watch for it, you'll see it a couple times a game). It almost always gets knocked down by the winger or intercepted by the point man. And as we know, one failed clear attempt and the Sabres are really good at being pinned in their zone for the next two minutes.

But when Weber's on the left, he can wrist it out and actually has a pretty solid outlet pass from that side.

Next year's D, right now, projects to have 4 LHD and 2 RHD. I hope that Weber is not the one who gets stuck playing on his off-side again. Seksy and Hoff are much faster than Weber and can use their speed to compensate for awkward positioning. I'm not sure how fast McNabb is, I think right about the same as Weber. McNabb, too, will probably be much more set up for success on the left.

Anyway, I think we'll resign Weber for 2years/1.8-2.2. Though he could be traded as a piece if we're after a bigger fish this deadline. I think a lot of teams would like Weber in their bottom pairing for the next 10 years.

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I've always liked Weber. Fine with him in the bottom pairing and killing penalties.

But we gotta play him on the left side.

With so many LHD on the roster, Weber mostly plays his off-side, on the right. When he gets pressured and has to move the puck quickly up the boards, he has this terrible habit of attempting a weak backhand flip (watch for it, you'll see it a couple times a game). It almost always gets knocked down by the winger or intercepted by the point man. And as we know, one failed clear attempt and the Sabres are really good at being pinned in their zone for the next two minutes.

But when Weber's on the left, he can wrist it out and actually has a pretty solid outlet pass from that side.

Next year's D, right now, projects to have 4 LHD and 2 RHD. I hope that Weber is not the one who gets stuck playing on his off-side again. Seksy and Hoff are much faster than Weber and can use their speed to compensate for awkward positioning. I'm not sure how fast McNabb is, I think right about the same as Weber. McNabb, too, will probably be much more set up for success on the left.

Anyway, I think we'll resign Weber for 2years/1.8-2.2. Though he could be traded as a piece if we're after a bigger fish this deadline. I think a lot of teams would like Weber in their bottom pairing for the next 10 years.
I can't recall seeing Sekera play anything other than the right side, so I think it's safe to say he stays there. We definitely need to add another top 4 d-man though...
Ehrhoff/???-Myers
Ehrhoff/???-Sekera
Weber-Pysyk?

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Next year I'd like to see

Myers-Ehrhoff
Sekera-Pysyk
Weber-McNabb/Sulzer

Sulzer/McNabb

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