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Should the Wings traded for NON-NHL ready prospects?

View Poll Results: Trade for prospects who are not ready?
Yes 3 12.50%
Yes but only if they're a year away 2 8.33%
Yes, I don't care if they don't play in the NHL for 3 years 3 12.50%
No, only trade for players who can play right now 16 66.67%
No, we shouldn't make any trades 0 0%
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03-19-2013, 09:31 AM
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Should the Wings traded for NON-NHL ready prospects?

Yes/no?

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03-19-2013, 09:57 AM
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I went with no. Our prospect pipeline is actually pretty good right now, and it could become a bit of a problem if we don't find a way to start working some of the youngsters we have onto the Wings. Trading for more prospects will just clog up the pipes some more, and probably encourage more stop gap signings like Samuelsson, Cleary, et al. until the kids are "ready."

Instead, trade for guys who are ready [I]right now." There is less risk involved because we're getting someone who is to some degree proven. It takes some pressure off the prospect system, so we're not trying to fit four rookies onto the team at a time. And that could then free us to move someone off the roster if we wish to replenish whatever we lose through the initial trade. Finally, with the compliance buyouts still in place for this summer, we can pull someone in with a big salary, and then weasel around whatever cap problems through buying someone out. We might have a bit more wiggle room to trade for a guy someone else can't keep because of this. Wouldn't be a bad thing to look into.

The more I think about it, mitigating the risk is a bigger and bigger factor. regardless of how much we like a prospect, they're still a crapshoot. Moving two or three of them for a definite top line NHL player is a very safe move from that angle.

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03-19-2013, 10:00 AM
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Only if we're talking about a big time skill guy. Even then, I'm not sure why a team would trade a guy like that to us. All we could offer would be picks and comparatively lower-level prospects.

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I said yes, but it's gotta be a high-end blue chip prospect that's a center or pretty big. But that's not really likely, unless we move up in the draft to pick Lindholm or someone like that. Or if we moved up to draft a kid like Zadarov - a huge mean Russian defenseman.

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Only if we're talking about a big time skill guy. Even then, I'm not sure why a team would trade a guy like that to us. All we could offer would be picks and comparatively lower-level prospects.
I have to assume we'd be looking at moving someone like Kronwall, Z, D, or Franzen to get that sort of prospect. I figure the sort of prospect we'd likely get back is, at best, someone like Tatar or or Sheahan, but we have four of those guys in GR right now, Jarnkrok coming over, and a handful more in juniors and what not...we have to have places to put all of these guys.

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What our pool lacks is a blue chip center with some size and a big, physical shutdown D.

But I'd rather just trade up with our 1st + something extra. This year's top-10 is pretty good and I don't think we'll be too far outside of the top-10 so the extra asset wouldn't need to be too much.

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I think now is the time to deal some of our prospect depth to acquire top tier players. This team doesn't seem to want to commit to a complete rebuild - especially since we'll be moving into the spotlight with the conference change - but we lack the elite talent to compete with teams like Boston and Pittsburgh. We need a guy who can help offset the future loss of Datsyuk, and cap space should not be a problem because we have enough young, cost-controlled players who can step in and replace more costly veterans.

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03-19-2013, 10:43 AM
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No. We have them enough as of now and may not keep some extra years in juniors/NCAA/Europe just to get them some playing time bc it's too crowded in GR.

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Big-sized TOP6 center would be nice.

We kind of have enough everything else.

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There is no single answer and I'm not sure what this poll is driving at.

First of all, the Wings only have a few players who could land a "bluechip" prospect. The only place we're weak in the prospect department is center. But even then, we have Jarnkrok, Sheahan and Ferraro. Will any be world class? Unlikely.
So we could use a bluechip, potential world class center. They don't grow on trees and I don't think we've got the assets to get one.

Secondly, would I trade a prospect for a legit roster player?
Depends on the player, the age of the player and the prospect.

I think last year was the year to make that trade at the deadline for a sniper.

But now I think we're just a bit too far away from contention to think of such a thing.

Still, if you could get a 25-27 year old player, I think you consider it.

But if you're talking 33 to 35-- no way

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So we could use a bluechip, potential world class center. They don't grow on trees and I don't think we've got the assets to get one.
So why not tank this season and draft that guy? Deep draft, don't have to be the most worthless team, just at TOP5. Lots of big, great centermans there, like Barkov.

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We need guys who can contribute now. So therefore, I voted no.

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I'd be ok with doing depth roster player + B prospect + draft pick for a prospect who has a really high ceiling but is still years away. Donno who would take that package, though.

If we can trade up in the draft this year, I think we should.

We have enough complimentary type prospects, we need a #1D or #1C prospect, as many have said already in this thread.

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So why not tank this season and draft that guy? Deep draft, don't have to be the most worthless team, just at TOP5. Lots of big, great centermans there, like Barkov.
As long as you have Datsyuk and Zetterberg on your roster, tanking is not an option

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If we were trading Dats, Flip, or Franzen (who needs a change of scenery) I would say no because any prospect that's really worth the trade would probably be in the NHL already.

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As long as you have Datsyuk and Zetterberg on your roster, tanking is not an option
Basically this.

Those 2 are too good.

As much as we "might be bad enough" to miss the playoffs.

I expect we make the playoffs as a low seed.

There is a part of me that likes the idea of missing the playoffs just to get some new young talent.

But that part of me is totally beaten by the part of me that wants to make the playoffs and just play our current prospects more.

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A lot of people have brought up the idea of trading up in the draft, assuming we finish with a 15-20 pick what do you guys think it would take to move up into the top 10? top 5?

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Yes, I don't care if they are 3 years away. Sproul, Ouellet and Mrazek are still a couple years away and will be the biggest assets to win another Cup.

Only way I would go with no is if Holland actually gets a Russian for Datysuk for the remaining 1.5 seasons he'll be with the Red Wings. Call Washington up and see if they want to get rid of Ovechkin's contract, the Red Wings can take it. Try and trade Smith and a draft pick for a legit defenseman. Buy out Sammy and Bertuzzi. Let Cleary walk. Waive your Miller and Eaves. There is just too many moves that the conservative Holland wouldn't be willing to do to be considered a favorite to win the Cup.


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A lot of people have brought up the idea of trading up in the draft, assuming we finish with a 15-20 pick what do you guys think it would take to move up into the top 10? top 5?
Too much. Smith. Järnkrok.

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A lot of people have brought up the idea of trading up in the draft, assuming we finish with a 15-20 pick what do you guys think it would take to move up into the top 10? top 5?
1st + 2nd + Jurco.

Which I would do in a heartbeat to get a kid like Lindholm.

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1st + 2nd + Jurco.

Which I would do in a heartbeat to get a kid like Lindholm.
Would you trade Lindholm for picks #20, #50 and Zack Phillips?

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As always everything depends on the actual deal, it isn't black and white. This is not really a yes or no to these options, none of them fit perfectly. I would sell off some of the older guys. But the Wings have a lot of depth at all positions in the pipeline in particular the wing position. If the right deal is out there unlike a lot of people I would not hesitate to ship Nyquist or Tatar at this point.

Ideally if they are getting non-NHL ready prospects we could make another team eat one of Parkes, Nestrasil, Fournier (please be him), Coetzee. To get a contract off the books at the lower level that is never coming.

As is when we talk about the bloated roster totals up here, the same problem is beginning to stack up in Grand Rapids where we have AHL guys that are stuck in ECHL roles as well.

I do lean the most towards No trades, you ride out this storm and revaluate after the season.

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Would you trade Lindholm for picks #20, #50 and Zack Phillips?
Nope I was thinking we'd be closer to 15. And I wouldn't mind adding.

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Too much. Smith. Järnkrok.
I agree our 1st+ Smith/Jarnkrok would be too much but I'd be fine with something around 1st+Nyquist and maybe a 2nd/3rd depending on how high they could go, especially if it could get us Lindholm or even Barkov......drool

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For Lindholm, yes I would.

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