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03-19-2013, 03:29 PM
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Fowler+Ryan for Couturier+Coburn+1st(likely top ten)
Fowler isn't for sale.

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Fowler+Ryan for Couturier+Coburn+1st(likely top ten)
Lol Ryan+Fowler would be closer to Giroux then what you have in that package.

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Fowler+Ryan for Couturier+Coburn+1st(likely top ten)
Fowler is strictly off limits.

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Lol Ryan+Fowler would be closer to Giroux then what you have in that package.
Looking back at my proposal I'd add some but c'mon... Giroux ?

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Looking back at my proposal I'd add some but c'mon... Giroux ?
For Ryan and Fowler? Yes, that is probably around the value Anaheim would expect. You just asked for two of Anaheim's most valuable players. Obviously, that doesn't work for the Flyers, but the kind of value you're asking for is pretty massive.

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What are Anaheims needs for a cup run? Anything realistic from PHI that you'd give Etem for?

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The only somewhat viable option between these two teams at this point is some sort of futures package for Briere, IMO. Mezsaros could be had as well, but judging from Ducks' fans comments, D isn't a position of need.

The Flyers aren't getting Ryan (not today anyway ), Fowler, or Sbisa, and the Ducks aren't getting Couturier, Schenn, Coburn, etc.

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Anaheim would probably be interested in one of Couturier or B. Schenn.

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Anaheim would probably be interested in one of Couturier or B. Schenn.
Does not compute.

1. B. Schenn will not be traded unless L. Schenn is also traded, and frankly, I think both are basically untouchable pieces going forward--not so much because their individual value is that level, but because combined they would return a piece that no team is going to give up.

2. Couturier could be moved in the future for an defenseman--either an established prime-aged top-pairing guy or a similarly aged, similarly developed defenseman with a strong offensive game. I'm not sure whether Fowler is the guy, but I can't see any other plausible scenario in which the Ducks could acquire Couturier, so if Fowler is strictly off-limits, then I think it is fair to say Couturier is as well.

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03-19-2013, 03:48 PM
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I'm not 'wrong.'

Coburn is twice the defenseman Sbisa is right now, and is signed for a few more years [hence: cost controlled], at double the cost. It's not a 'lateral' move, it's a significant upgrade.

I can respect you saying it's not worth it for Anaheim to spend an additional $2.3M on a better player, but it is also contradictory for a cup run this year or in the next few.

My issue is when Sbisa was considered a more valuable asset, of which he is not. Becoming a top pair d-man is not easy, so seeing things like Sbisa > Coburn reeks of homerism.

Coburn has been on the ice for 30 goals against @ 5 on 5 one of the worst in the league, infact teams score twice as many goals against the flyers, than they give up with Coburn ON the ice.

Sbisa had a terrible start, but has turned it around. either Coburn is playing in a role over his head, or he's not nearly as good as you're saying

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03-19-2013, 03:51 PM
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Coburn has been on the ice for 30 goals against @ 5 on 5 one of the worst in the league, infact teams score twice as many goals against the flyers, than they give up with Coburn ON the ice.

Sbisa had a terrible start, but has turned it around. either Coburn is playing in a role over his head, or he's not nearly as good as you're saying
Yes, Sbisa has had a terrible start - but why don't I use that start to judge how he will be at all times? Because that's what you just did - Coburn's last 30 games apparently define his career.

Stop stat-picking. Nobody on the Flyers is exactly having a great year, and cherry-picking these isn't exactly a body of proof.

Coburn, at this point, is a far better defenseman than Sbisa. I'm not even sure how you're trying to argue otherwise.

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Does not compute.

1. B. Schenn will not be traded unless L. Schenn is also traded, and frankly, I think both are basically untouchable pieces going forward--not so much because their individual value is that level, but because combined they would return a piece that no team is going to give up.

2. Couturier could be moved in the future for an defenseman--either an established prime-aged top-pairing guy or a similarly aged, similarly developed defenseman with a strong offensive game. I'm not sure whether Fowler is the guy, but I can't see any other plausible scenario in which the Ducks could acquire Couturier, so if Fowler is strictly off-limits, then I think it is fair to say Couturier is as well.
The question was asked what Anaheim's needs were. I was just answering. I don't really believe Philly would be willing to move either.

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And Coburn is better than Sbisa.

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Yes, Sbisa has had a terrible start - but why don't I use that start to judge how he will be at all times? Because that's what you just did - Coburn's last 30 games apparently define his career.

Stop stat-picking. Nobody on the Flyers is exactly having a great year, and cherry-picking these isn't exactly a body of proof.

Coburn, at this point, is a far better defenseman than Sbisa. I'm not even sure how you're trying to argue otherwise.
the gap between someone who should be a 3rd defensemen, and someone who should be a 4th is not very wide at all. teams score alot of goals vs Coburn 5 on 5, they did last year as well

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03-19-2013, 04:07 PM
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The question was asked what Anaheim's needs were. I was just answering. I don't really believe Philly would be willing to move either.
He was also asking for Etem, which is not a good idea.

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