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03-19-2013, 03:34 PM
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I don't really see the fit on the Hawks, and not at those prices, wow. Give me a vet that does the same things for a fraction of the cost.

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03-19-2013, 03:46 PM
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To my fellow Hawk fans: can we stop trying to fix a problem that isn't there? Kane is flourishing with Bolland as his centre. Our 3rd line has been amazing. We don't need another top 9 centre. We need a 4th line winger/centreman that can win faceoffs.

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03-19-2013, 03:53 PM
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Hypothetically, Bozak's value is right around chicago's drafting position in the first round. However them wanting to move the pick is another story.

If Chicago can re-up him to a 4m deal for multiple years do they do it?
Im guessing this is where the hypothetical value comes from:
im guessing you and another leaf fan sat in a room and said "hey whats Bozak worth?" "late first round" "yeah agreed"

Hypothetically smallish tweener centers who may or may not put up 40pts /year in an offensive role do not get a 1st round pick.

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03-19-2013, 04:17 PM
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Im guessing this is where the hypothetical value comes from:
im guessing you and another leaf fan sat in a room and said "hey whats Bozak worth?" "late first round" "yeah agreed"

Hypothetically smallish tweener centers who may or may not put up 40pts /year in an offensive role do not get a 1st round pick.
he 32 points in his first full season in the NHL
47 in his second full season

this year is his third full season

and he isnt big but i wouldn't consider him small
he is 6'1' 195lb

also Paul Gaustad is a player that never got 40 points in his career
and Buffalo

im not saying Chicago should try to get Bozak, but Bozak isn't a bad player
and would be an asset to any team he is on, the only problem is he is miscast as a #1 center

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03-19-2013, 04:21 PM
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Not buying into the fact that Bozak is a rental. I would imagine any team that acquires him (should Toronto want to move him) would have the distinct intention to re-sign him.

Bozak is a quality NHL player whom is only 26 years old. To me a rental is aplayer you acquire at the deadline for a playoff run and a playoff run only.

Bozak has more value than that at this point in his career and is about to get his first big contract. This isn't a rental.

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03-19-2013, 04:36 PM
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Trade Bozak to Chicago for a 1st? Done. The Leafs can move Grabo or Kadri between Kessel, move McClemant to center a shut-down 3rd line, and bring up Connolly to center the 4th line.

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03-19-2013, 04:41 PM
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Im guessing this is where the hypothetical value comes from:
im guessing you and another leaf fan sat in a room and said "hey whats Bozak worth?" "late first round" "yeah agreed"

Hypothetically smallish tweener centers who may or may not put up 40pts /year in an offensive role do not get a 1st round pick.
Just Paul Gaustad a borderline third line center

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03-19-2013, 04:50 PM
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Small centre that has a high skill level, a decent shot, and isn't terrible defensively (improving, used to be considered a big weakness). Probably doesn't have the speed you'd hope for from a little guy though.
D'Amigo's C at RPI.

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since when was 6'1' 195 considered small

i would say that is average size

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03-19-2013, 05:10 PM
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Small centre that has a high skill level, a decent shot, and isn't terrible defensively (improving, used to be considered a big weakness). Probably doesn't have the speed you'd hope for from a little guy though.
Pirri's 6'00.5". He's lean, not "little".

As for the OP, I don't see Bozak as enough of an improvement on Bolland to justify moving the necessary peice(s) to get him.

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03-19-2013, 05:22 PM
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Pirri's 6'00.5". He's lean, not "little".

As for the OP, I don't see Bozak as enough of an improvement on Bolland to justify moving the necessary peice(s) to get him.
Agreed. If the Leafs move Bozak it will be to upgrade the position, not to get picks and prospects back. If they can't upgrade on Bozak, they'll just re-sign him.

Prospects and picks for Bozak make no sense for the Leafs and the Hawks are about to go on a cup run so they are unlikely to move roster players.

Horrible trading partners.

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03-19-2013, 05:22 PM
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To my fellow Hawk fans: can we stop trying to fix a problem that isn't there? Kane is flourishing with Bolland as his centre. Our 3rd line has been amazing. We don't need another top 9 centre. We need a 4th line winger/centreman that can win faceoffs.
Kane is playing well in spite of Bolland ,, Just like Kane/Toews carried worthless scrubs like Troy Brouwer

Hawks biggest need is and still will be #2 C

Bolland has been a blackhole on that line all year and will continue to be so ,, At end of day Dave Bolland is not a top 6 C

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03-19-2013, 05:23 PM
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Agreed. If the Leafs move Bozak it will be to upgrade the position, not to get picks and prospects back. If they can't upgrade on Bozak, they'll just re-sign him.

Prospects and picks for Bozak make no sense for the Leafs and the Hawks are about to go on a cup run so they are unlikely to move roster players.

Horrible trading partners.
Thats optimistic..

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03-19-2013, 05:24 PM
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Thats optimistic..
That's not what I meant and you know it.

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03-19-2013, 05:24 PM
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Bozak is a tweener and not a great 2nd line center as some are suggesting.

He's an average 2nd line at best whose got to play among the best offensive tandem of wingers for quite a while now.

Having said that if he signs somewhere for a decent cap hit in the 3 million range or less Bozak has value. If he gets 4 million+ he'll be the next Ville Leino.

As a Leaf fan I wouldn't be the least bit sad to see him go but we need someone to replace him our own playoff push.

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03-19-2013, 05:25 PM
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Bozak + for Bolland would be awesome. would allow grabo to be used in a more offensive role.

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03-19-2013, 05:37 PM
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Kane is playing well in spite of Bolland ,, Just like Kane/Toews carried worthless scrubs like Troy Brouwer

Hawks biggest need is and still will be #2 C

Bolland has been a blackhole on that line all year and will continue to be so ,, At end of day Dave Bolland is not a top 6 C
You can spin it how ever you want...but its a fact that Kane is having his best year of his career with Bolland as his C. And it was clear that Kane was not having the same success while Bolland was out.

Bolland is fine, and no other player that will be somewhat cheap, will be an improvement.

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03-19-2013, 05:39 PM
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You can have him for the best goon on your team

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Kane is playing well in spite of Bolland ,, Just like Kane/Toews carried worthless scrubs like Troy Brouwer

Hawks biggest need is and still will be #2 C

Bolland has been a blackhole on that line all year and will continue to be so ,, At end of day Dave Bolland is not a top 6 C
So you're saying there's not a lot of holes? I agree. You have a funny way of calling it like it is.

Bolland hasn't been a blackhole. If you think Bolland's been a blackhole, it's clear you don't watch Tyler Bozak in Toronto. (Note to TOR fans: That was not a shot at Bozak, BWC is just the king of hyperbole).

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Bozak for McNeil... Done

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Kane is playing well in spite of Bolland ,, Just like Kane/Toews carried worthless scrubs like Troy Brouwer

Hawks biggest need is and still will be #2 C

Bolland has been a blackhole on that line all year and will continue to be so ,, At end of day Dave Bolland is not a top 6 C
So you are saying Kane, who is scoring at a higher rate than at any other point in his career, is being held back by playing with Dave Bolland? What a load of crap. Having Bolland on his line has allowed him to cheat more offensively and take more chances, which is a big reason why he is having the best season of his career. The Blackhawks have no trouble scoring goals, including their 2nd line, and have a third line that is playing exceptional. They do not need another top9 centre.

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You can spin it how ever you want...but its a fact that Kane is having his best year of his career with Bolland as his C. And it was clear that Kane was not having the same success while Bolland was out.

Bolland is fine, and no other player that will be somewhat cheap, will be an improvement.
Kane has 9 ES goals

2 came with Kruger at #2C
1 came with Shaw/Sharp on his wing (vs Nucks earlier in year)

6 goals at ES in 24 games with Bolland at C = Not very good at all

The 7 other Kane goals came on PP

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03-19-2013, 05:50 PM
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Kane has 9 ES goals

2 came with Kruger at #2C
1 came with Shaw/Sharp on his wing (vs Nucks earlier in year)

6 goals at ES in 24 games with Bolland at C = Not very good at all

The 7 other Kane goals came on PP
That's a 20-goal pace over an 82-game season. That's actually quite good, for anyone, but especially for more of a playmaker like Kane.

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Kane has 9 ES goals

2 came with Kruger at #2C
1 came with Shaw/Sharp on his wing (vs Nucks earlier in year)

6 goals at ES in 24 games with Bolland at C = Not very good at all

The 7 other Kane goals came on PP
Bolland is on his PP unit. You are grasping at straws.

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03-19-2013, 06:17 PM
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Kane has 9 ES goals

2 came with Kruger at #2C
1 came with Shaw/Sharp on his wing (vs Nucks earlier in year)

6 goals at ES in 24 games with Bolland at C = Not very good at all

The 7 other Kane goals came on PP
20 ES goals for Kane would be a spectacular year. It's more than good.

And Bolland helps the defense out when Kane is floating, which allows Kane to create more chances.

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