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03-19-2013, 03:57 PM
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Drew Doughty's horrible play on the road.

Looking at the +/- split for home and road in the NHL and nowhere is there a larger discrepancy than Drew Doughty. Home +/- +13, Away = -12.

What this tells me is that at home where Sutter can control the match-ups Doughty is getting soft minutes. On the road, he's being exploited by the top lines of other teams.

This confuses me however, as I've seen Doughty do some amazing work against top lines in the past.

I've only seen 3 or 4 Kings games this year so I don't have a lot of empirical evidence. Any Kings fans want to clue me in on what's happening with Doughty?

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03-19-2013, 04:00 PM
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On whether he’s been happy with Drew Doughty’s play:
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Drew’s been awesome. I can pick three or four mistakes out all year. Literally. The only thing I try and do is keep pressure off him because he hasn’t scored.
This link will help you.. http://lakingsinsider.com/2013/03/19...er/#more-29967

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How does Doughty get soft minutes when he's top 5 in minutes played by all NHL skaters?

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Looking at the +/- split for home and road in the NHL and nowhere is there a larger discrepancy than Drew Doughty. Home +/- +13, Away = -12.

What this tells me is that at home where Sutter can control the match-ups Doughty is getting soft minutes. On the road, he's being exploited by the top lines of other teams.

This confuses me however, as I've seen Doughty do some amazing work against top lines in the past.

I've only seen 3 or 4 Kings games this year so I don't have a lot of empirical evidence. Any Kings fans want to clue me in on what's happening with Doughty?
What this ought to tell you is that +/- is a terrible statistic.

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Biggest clue watch some games don't try looking at stats and assuming how he is or isn't playing.

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Doughty is not so good as y'all thought, Mitchell did the work and Doughty got the accolades.

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Drew hasn't been sheltered this year, he has been given assignments that Mitchell or Greene usually draw.

He is also playing a ton of minutes.

Kings as a whole have been better at home this year too.

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At home LA is 5th in goals for, 6th in goals against.

On the road LA is 16th in goals for, 17th in goals against.


Doesn't seem like Doughty is the only guy who should be getting the blame. +/- is a useless statistic without context.

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The Kings as a whole have been way, way better at home than on the road.

The last thing Doughty can be accused of this season is getting sheltered minutes. He's playing in every situation and drawing assignments, especially on the PK< usually reserved for veteran guys like Mitchell and Greene. Doughty getting constantly double and triple teamed is one of the major reasons Jake Muzzin is piling up the points on that pairing. The guy that makes that happen? Doughty.

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Doughty is not so good as y'all thought, Mitchell did the work and Doughty got the accolades.
Yup. All he does is anchor a defense that lost 2 of its best defenders at the beginning of the year and STILL allows the fewest even strength shots on goal. Must be terrible because his +/- isn't very good.

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Doughty is not so good as y'all thought, Mitchell did the work and Doughty got the accolades.
Doughty didn't play with Mitchell. His partner was Scuderi. Mitchell's linemate was Voynov.


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Kings home record 11-2-1

Kings away record 5-8-1


hmmm I wonder if that has anything to do with individual stats?

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The Kings have had some, what's the word...vacuous goaltending performances on the road. Some bad luck too. Hardly Doughty's fault. He is playing huge minutes and IMO doing a pretty good job.

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Doughty is not so good as y'all thought, Mitchell did the work and Doughty got the accolades.
Actually Doughty's partner has been Scuderi. But Scuds is playing with Mitchell while Doughty has a rotating partners of rookies or 7th defensemen.

Ironically since Voynov lost his partner Mitchell, he has played better than ever.

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The Kings as a whole have been way, way better at home than on the road.

The last thing Doughty can be accused of this season is getting sheltered minutes. He's playing in every situation and drawing assignments, especially on the PK< usually reserved for veteran guys like Mitchell and Greene. Doughty getting constantly double and triple teamed is one of the major reasons Jake Muzzin is piling up the points on that pairing. The guy that makes that happen? Doughty.

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Stopped reading when you said Doughty is getting soft minutes. Seriously man, get a clue. Doughty plays literally the toughest minutes on the team. He and Scuderi have inherited Greene's and Mitchell's responsibilities. And of the two, Doughty has looked much better. Let me repeat that. Doughty has been a much better defensive d man than Scuderi. Like, undoubtedly, indisputably better.

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At home LA is 5th in goals for, 6th in goals against.

On the road LA is 16th in goals for, 17th in goals against.


Doesn't seem like Doughty is the only guy who should be getting the blame. +/- is a useless statistic without context.
This. The Kings started the season very poorly where the vast majority of those games were on the road (11 of the first 15). During that time Kopi was dealing with an injury, Richards was nowhere near game shape, Quick was just back from back surgery, and the Kings were trying to adjust to playing without Mitchell and Greene. It will be interesting to see if their recent improved play will transfer over to the road when they head out for five games starting next Monday.

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Oh god the Canucks aren't on top of the Western Conference this year! Quick, make a diversion!

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On whether he’s been happy with Drew Doughty’s play:
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This link will help you.. http://lakingsinsider.com/2013/03/19...er/#more-29967
Fair enough, this is what I was looking for. To all of you Kings fans who are reacting as if I was insulting your mother, I noticed a statistical trend and am ASKING you for an empirical explanation. All of you telling me to stop being a stat-watcher need to give your heads a shake. I can't watch every game from every team and I like to stay abreast of what's going on for every team.

The soft match-ups thing was just a theory based on stats. A good theory without having watched. I also mentioned that he's done great against top lines in the past.
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What this ought to tell you is that +/- is a terrible statistic.
Glib, and silly. +/- is not meaningless. It just requires context. I would say that a single player on a single team having a swing of 23 in their +/- home vs away is context enough to ask some questions, wouldn't you?
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Biggest clue watch some games don't try looking at stats and assuming how he is or isn't playing.
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Your glib attempt at being clever adds nothing to the conversation, dude. I'm glad you get to feel all high and mighty, but how about we discuss hockey instead of showing how superior we are to everybody.
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Kings home record 11-2-1

Kings away record 5-8-1


hmmm I wonder if that has anything to do with individual stats?
That's interesting, but can be bi-directional too. It may be that Doughty's playing terribly on the road and great at home, leading to this record discrepancy. Note: I'm not saying that's what is happening.
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Stopped reading when you said Doughty is getting soft minutes. Seriously man, get a clue. Doughty plays literally the toughest minutes on the team. He and Scuderi have inherited Greene's and Mitchell's responsibilities. And of the two, Doughty has looked much better. Let me repeat that. Doughty has been a much better defensive d man than Scuderi. Like, undoubtedly, indisputably better.
"Stopped reading when...". Maybe that tendency explains why you fail to consider context or how I asked the questions and just jump down my throat. Slow clap.

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Oh god the Canucks aren't on top of the Western Conference this year! Quick, make a diversion!
A..."diversion"? From what? Because I'm worried that the GED brain-trust at hfboards are going to jump all over my team?

My team is playing poorly right now, which is really frustrating, but I'm a hockey fan first, Canucks fan 2nd.

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If you're just asking a question, maybe you shouldn't have phrases like "Drew Doughty's horrible play" in your title.

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Looking at the +/- split for home and road in the NHL and nowhere is there a larger discrepancy than Drew Doughty. Home +/- +13, Away = -12.

What this tells me is that at home where Sutter can control the match-ups Doughty is getting soft minutes. On the road, he's being exploited by the top lines of other teams.

This confuses me however, as I've seen Doughty do some amazing work against top lines in the past.

I've only seen 3 or 4 Kings games this year so I don't have a lot of empirical evidence. Any Kings fans want to clue me in on what's happening with Doughty?
Another plus minus guy, How i wish you watch instead of looking at stats.

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If you're just asking a question, maybe you shouldn't have phrases like "Drew Doughty's horrible play" in your title.
Fair enough, but anyone who actually reads the first post will see that I'm not attacking Doughty.

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Doughty is not so good as y'all thought, Mitchell did the work and Doughty got the accolades.
Lol bro just stop. Goaltendings been bad this season, and Doughty plays the most, his plus minus will be bad. He's been very good if you actually watch.

Hes not getting sheltered minutes, our defense and goal tending have sucked. He's not getting exposed at all.

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