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03-19-2013, 04:00 PM
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Florida - Colorado

Paul Stastny (Avs retain $2mill per) or Ryan O'Reilly
Jamie McGinn
Tyson Barrie
2014 1st

for

Dmitry Kulikov
2013 1st

I realize that Florida's 1st is likely untouchable at this point, but how would you gague it value-wise?


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Easy yes from the Avs. Terrible for Florida.

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Ripping off Florida big time.

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Terrible for Florida. Like really really terrible.

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Really bad for the Panthers. Make the Panthers pick a 2nd and its decent though.


Also, Tyson Barrie and a 2nd round pick have very different values IMO.

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Terrible, terrible deal for Florida. 1st overall(potentially) and Kulikov for a 3rd line winger making 4 million, a second line center making 6 million and a second round pick?

Actually is one of the worst proposals i've seen on here.

And Barrie does not equal a second round pick.

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Damn, thought it was at least close. What would it take from Colorado to get that return with O'Reilly going the other way rather than Stastny?

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Flordias first? I'd give Stastny + Jones

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Really bad for the Panthers. Make the Panthers pick a 2nd and its decent though.


Also, Tyson Barrie and a 2nd round pick have very different values IMO.
Where do you think Barrie's value sits currently?

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Paul Stastny (Avs retain $2mill per)
David Jones
2013 2nd or Tyson Barrie

for

Dmitry Kulikov
2013 1st

I realize that Florida's 1st is likely untouchable at this point, but how would you gague it value-wise? What if O'Reilly was swapped with Stastny? Who adds?
Honestly, Duchene + that package doesn't get Kulikov + the 1st overall (worst case, 2nd).

Just a bad proposal.

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Flordias first? I'd give Stastny + Jones
They wouldn't though.

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Flordias first? I'd give Stastny + Jones
lol, yeah, I'd even consider throwing in Zanon too.

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there might be a trade for Stastny and Kulikov, providing that Colorado pays some of Stastny's salary, but there's no way Florida moves their 1st. Maybe something like Stastny and Giguere for Kulikov and Clemmensen

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Post Lottery assuming Avs will pick 3-5

Avs 1st
Hunwick/Zanon
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Kulikov
Shore
Howden

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Post Lottery assuming Avs will pick 3-5

Avs 1st
Hunwick/Zanon
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Kulikov
Shore
Howden
Don't see Florida trading any youth away. They've drafted these players and it's not like they are struggling, they aren't going to trade them away to draft again.

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Terrible, terrible deal for Florida. 1st overall(potentially) and Kulikov for a 3rd line winger making 4 million, a second line center making 6 million and a second round pick?

Actually is one of the worst proposals i've seen on here.

And Barrie does not equal a second round pick.
To be fair, Stastny would likely end up being Florida's #1C, lessening the load for a 20 year-old Huberdeau heading into next season. Not to mention he wouldn't be costing $6.6, but a much more managable $4.6.

Still not sure where Barrie's value sits.

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Where do you think Barrie's value sits currently?
At least a 1st. He's looked very good ever since he was drafted, his stock has consistently risen and now he is one of the best OFD Prospects around.

I personally wouldn't move him at all right now barring the obvious huge overpayment.

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Would Florida even swap Kulikov for Stastny straight up? He's a UFA after next year...

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Would Florida even swap Kulikov for Stastny straight up? He's a UFA after next year...
I think it would take Stastny+, but I don't think the + would be all that much.

Stastny + 2nd would do the job IMO. Avs retain 1.5M of the cap space.


However that would likely mean the Panthers would then draft Jones, so I am not a fan of that idea.

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03-19-2013, 04:24 PM
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No one is trading their 1st.
Not Colorado and certainly not Florida.

Both are not in a position to be impatient.
If something around Stastny for Kulikov can be worked out that is fine with me.
Adding our pick or Barrie?

Nice conversation. See you later... or not...

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Honestly, Duchene + that package doesn't get Kulikov + the 1st overall (worst case, 2nd).

Just a bad proposal.
Seriously? To trade for Kuli is to trade for potential. He's struggled this season (but to be fair so has his entire team). Maybe I undervalued the pick, but if there's a serious shakeup you never know where the Panthers may end up. It'll be a lottery pick, sure, but not a guaranteed top-2.

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Seriously? To trade for Kuli is to trade for potential. He's struggled this season (but to be fair so has his entire team). Maybe I undervalued the pick, but if there's a serious shakeup you never know where the Panthers may end up. It'll be a lottery pick, sure, but not a guaranteed top-2.
If the Panthers go on a major winning streak, then yes, it is a different conversation, but I think you're undervaluing the 1st / 2nd overall in this draft.

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Paul Stastny (Avs retain $2mill per)
David Jones
2013 2nd or Tyson Barrie

for

Dmitry Kulikov
2013 1st

I realize that Florida's 1st is likely untouchable at this point, but how would you gague it value-wise? What if O'Reilly was swapped with Stastny? Who adds?
So all of that for Kulikov and Mackinnon/Jones? Yep sounds fair to me.

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At least a 1st. He's looked very good ever since he was drafted, his stock has consistently risen and now he is one of the best OFD Prospects around.

I personally wouldn't move him at all right now barring the obvious huge overpayment.
So would it be fair to say that the original proposal isn't that far off if Barrie was added?

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Don't see Florida trading any youth away. They've drafted these players and it's not like they are struggling, they aren't going to trade them away to draft again.
I completely understand

My thinking was:

An opportunity to draft MacKinnon and Druin who already have good chemistry together, add into Huberdeau and Tallon's blue print for building around star forwards is there. 1C,1LW,2C. Add in the realignment and the snowbird Canadian fans will have a huge reason to fill that arena again.

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So would it be fair to say that the original proposal isn't that far off if Barrie was added?
I don't think that's what he was saying. A generic mid- or late-1st is not worth nearly as much as a top-5 pick, let alone a top-2 pick.

If you are trying to figure out a way to get the 1st overall to make sure you can get Jones, then I think it makes more sense to talk about what it would take Colorado to move up from its pick (which is 3rd overall at the moment, right?)

FLA traded down in 2003, IIRC.

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