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04-27-2013, 10:59 AM
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Canada - Last 8 times (1 Gold Medal) Since the Lockout Era
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In a few days we'll know the full roster. I think we should be worried about Team Canada in general. It's no secret the Europeans are better than us on Big Ice - it's their "Bread and Butter".

Canada was 7th last time on Big Ice in the Olympics, have lost 3 times straight in the World's Quarterfinals. Big Ice is a "different Game" as Yzerman said, I think we might be able to get in the finals, but it's going to be tough.



The table I wrote:

Slovakia - 3 times in a semi-final round // since 2003 (whc)
USA - 2 times
Finland - 5 times (1 gold medal)
Sweden - 9 times (1 gold medal)
Czechs - 6 times (2 gold medals)
Russia - 7 times (3 gold medals)
Canada - 7 times (3 gold medals)

I responded to your statement that Canadians were worse than europeans on big ice, which is not true. Last three QF losses has not changed anything. For example, the Czechs also lost 3 QF games in a row (07,08,09), Finns too (03,04,05), the Russians lost 3 QF games between the years 2003 and 2006. The Slovaks didn't play any semi-final game between the years 2005 and 2011.

So I'm not sure why do you think European teams are so much better on big ice.


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04-27-2013, 11:09 AM
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In a few days we'll know the full roster. I think we should be worried about Team Canada in general. It's no secret the Europeans are better than us on Big Ice - it's their "Bread and Butter".

Canada was 7th last time on Big Ice in the Olympics, have lost 3 times straight in the World's Quarterfinals. Big Ice is a "different Game" as Yzerman said, I think we might be able to get in the finals, but it's going to be tough.



The table I wrote:

Slovakia - 3 times in a semi-final round // since 2003 (whc)
USA - 2 times
Finland - 5 times (1 gold medal)
Sweden - 9 times (1 gold medal)
Czechs - 6 times (2 gold medals)
Russia - 7 times (3 gold medals)
Canada - 7 times (3 gold medals)

I responded to your statement that Canadians were worse than europeans on big ice, which is not true. Last three QF losses has not changed anything. For example, the Czechs also lost 3 QF games in a row (07,08,09), Finns too (03,04,05), the Russians lost 3 QF games between the years 2003 and 2006. The Slovaks didn't play any semi-final game between the years 2005 and 2011.

So I'm not sure why do you think European teams are so much better on big ice.
We're talking In the last 8 Years and last Big Ice Olympics. Lockout Era of the WC 2005-Present.

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All Olympic Ice sized WC and Oly since Lockout Era

2005 WHC - Silver (1. Czechs, 2. Canada , 3. Russia)
2006 OLY - 7th (1. Sweden, 2. Finland, 3.Czechs)
2006 WHC - 4th (1. Sweden, 2. Czechs, 3. Finland)
2007 WHC - Gold (2. Finland, 3. Russia, 4. Sweden)

2009 WHC - Silver (1. Russia, 3. Sweden, 4. USA)
2010 WHC - 7th (1. Czechs, 2. Russia, 3. Sweden, 4. Germany)
2011 WHC - 5th (1. Finland, 2. Sweden, 3. Czechs, 4. Russia)
2012 WHC - 5th (1. Russia, 2. Slovakia, 3. Czechs, 4. Finland)
[B]Canada - Last 8 times (1 Gold Medal)/B]


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04-27-2013, 11:25 AM
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We're talking In the last 8 Years and last Big Ice Olympics. Lockout Modern era of the WC.



Canada - Last 8 times (1 Gold Medal) Since the Lockout Era
Canada's lack of success at the WC in recent years has more to do with the age and inexperience of its roster than the size of the rink. The fact is, our teams are much younger than those from Europe because most of our veteran players don't want to go. Salt Lake was on big ice 10 years ago but you conveniently cut your analysis at eight years.

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04-27-2013, 11:27 AM
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Canada's lack of success at the WC in recent years has more to do with the age and inexperience of its roster than the size of the rink. The fact is, our teams are much younger than those from Europe because most of our veteran players don't want to go. Salt Lake was on big ice 10 years ago but you conveniently cut your analysis at eight years.
Yeah And Nagano was in 1998 was 4 years before 2002 and Canada lost with Patrick Roy, Wayne Gretzky, Lindros Sakic, Ray Bourque,etc). Don't forget you got to the Finals in 2002 by beating Belarus Canada lost against Sweden and Tied the Czech Republic in 2002.

Talented countries like Switzerland and Slovakia have only since the 2006 Olympics proven themselves (Swiss beating Canada in 2006 and to a Shootout against Canada in 2010 Small Ice) to be among the best, Norway, Germany and Latvia have been improving.

Better Quality players have been coming every year since the lockout. All the top stars in the World have played in a World Championship since the Lockout starting in the 2005 WC


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04-27-2013, 11:28 AM
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Seeing as how we're a bit weak on defense, any chance Tyson Barrie gets an invite? He's the only defensive bright spot on a weak defensive team. Played in the WJC as well. Smooth skating player, would probably do quite well on the big ice.
Other Possible Options:
-KEVIN KLEIN
-MARK GIORDANO
-TJ BRODIE
-DENNIS WIDEMAN
-TREVOR DALEY

Not that many great defenders out there for Team Canada. Too bad about Weber and that insurance, we could have really used him out there.

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04-27-2013, 12:24 PM
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Guys, Mark Giordano is NOT going. He just had a kid, so he is staying home with his family. I'm really hoping Brodie goes, he has been the best d-man in Calgary this season.


Also, Trotz and Tippett were added to the coaching staff.

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04-27-2013, 01:11 PM
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Yeah And Nagano was in 1998 was 4 years before 2002 and Canada lost with Patrick Roy, Wayne Gretzky, Lindros Sakic, Ray Bourque,etc). Don't forget you got to the Finals in 2002 by beating Belarus Canada lost against Sweden and Tied the Czech Republic in 2002.

Talented countries like Switzerland and Slovakia have only since the 2006 Olympics proven themselves (Swiss beating Canada in 2006 and to a Shootout against Canada in 2010 Small Ice) to be among the best, Norway, Germany and Latvia have been improving.

Better Quality players have been coming every year since the lockout. All the top stars in the World have played in a World Championship since the Lockout starting in the 2005 WC
Nonsense.

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04-27-2013, 01:36 PM
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markz, are you sure you're not Russian?

Your argument is so flawed, I don't even want to point out each thing that is wrong.

Just because all of them have played in the WC doesn't mean they played TOGETHER. Besides 2008, Canada just hasn't had a very strong team, thanks to the playoffs.

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04-27-2013, 02:16 PM
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Those teens from Canada & the US seem to have no problem adjusting to that big Sochi ice

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04-27-2013, 03:04 PM
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Guys, Mark Giordano is NOT going. He just had a kid, so he is staying home with his family. I'm really hoping Brodie goes, he has been the best d-man in Calgary this season.


Also, Trotz and Tippett were added to the coaching staff.
Wasn't sure about Giordano going. Just threw the name out there. I actually thought he might be injured. Would like to see the hometown boy TJ Brodie get an invite. At any rate we're really hurting for defensemen. Like the coaching choices though.

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04-27-2013, 04:16 PM
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Glad to see the Staals going. Eric has sat out the last couple years. Another benefit of Jordan joining the Canes is that he's available for the WCs

I'd also hope that Eric can secure the 2C spot. There's something to be said for a talented 6'4" 205lbs center working with elite wingers (see this year with Semin/Tlusty). Imagine if he even had the opportunity to line up with Stamkos on a wing.


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04-27-2013, 04:58 PM
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markz, are you sure you're not Russian?

Your argument is so flawed, I don't even want to point out each thing that is wrong.

Just because all of them have played in the WC doesn't mean they played TOGETHER. Besides 2008, Canada just hasn't had a very strong team, thanks to the playoffs.
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on to more important matters... been out of the loop all day...any news, new additions, players agreeing or taking a pass?


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Yeah And Nagano was in 1998 was 4 years before 2002 and Canada lost with Patrick Roy, Wayne Gretzky, Lindros Sakic, Ray Bourque,etc). Don't forget you got to the Finals in 2002 by beating Belarus Canada lost against Sweden and Tied the Czech Republic in 2002.
Hmmmm, how typical for a Canadian to say "you" when referring to team Canada.

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Also, Trotz and Tippett were added to the coaching staff.
Glad to hear about Trotz and Tippett. The defence will be weak in terms of talent, but should at least be well coached.

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04-27-2013, 05:57 PM
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Skinner is on board.

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Final adds as per CBC
M. Smith

Brodie
Dillon
Robidas
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04-27-2013, 09:25 PM
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Saskatoon's Michael Garnett, who plays for KHL Traktor Chelyabinsk, will join Team Canada at Worlds. Will play behind Dubnyk and Mike Smith

Anyone know anything about this guy? Did Steve Mason not want to come? No AHL goalies say yes?

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Saskatoon's Michael Garnett, who plays for KHL Traktor Chelyabinsk, will join Team Canada at Worlds. Will play behind Dubnyk and Mike Smith

Anyone know anything about this guy? Did Steve Mason not want to come? No AHL goalies say yes?
Hockey Canada always have one Europe-based player on their WHC roster. He's going to be the 3rd goalie so it doesn't really matter, but I'm sure a career minor-leaguer like Garnett will embrace the role and the unique experience. I guess it's just a way to acknowledge and reward Canadian players who are playing in Europe.


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04-28-2013, 12:34 AM
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[QUOTE=JackSlater;64770889]Hmmmm, how typical for a Canadian to say "you" when referring to team Canada.

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He is in fact..so ignore anything he writes re: Team Canada. You'll just be wasting your time.
I'm not Russian, I'm Canadian, but doesn't mean I cheer for Canada Man some of you guys can't control yourselves here eh?

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The defense looks inexperienced and well sort of "iffy" I really hope Hockey Canada reconsiders its policy of not flying in reinforcements once the tournament gets underway... lets hope a few teams get eliminated fairly quickly here and we can get at least two significant additions on D, preferably 3 but I'd settle for 2. Should make for a lot of 7-5 games though.

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Skinner is on board.
Could have used more D-men and not Skinner.
But oh well... beggars can't be choosers right? Skinner hasn't really impressed me for 2 years (granted some injuries) wasn't very good at last year's WHC other than the one game against Finland...
but hey what can you do... I hope he has a great tournament and proves me wrong. And in fairness to Skinner, at last year's event, other than Duncan Kieth, nobody really impressed.

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Hockey Canada always have one Europe-based player on their WHC roster. He's going to be the 3rd goalie so it doesn't really matter, but I'm sure a career minor-leaguer like Garnett will embrace the role and the unique experience. I guess it's just a way to acknowledge and reward Canadian players who are playing in Europe.
KHL is a minor league? He's done quiet well and deserves and invite.

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KHL is a minor league? He's done quiet well and deserves and invite.
Other than 24 games in the NHL he was a career minor league player in North America (AHL ECHL) and then departed for Europe. Good for him that he can make cake in Russia and gets a call to help out the NT. I was calling for it even last year.

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Other than 24 games in the NHL he was a career minor league player in North America (AHL ECHL) and then departed for Europe. Good for him that he can make cake in Russia and gets a call to help out the NT. I was calling for it even last year.
Well, that would make it him an ex-minor leaguer, wouldn't it? Doesn't matter anyway..

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Well, that would make it him an ex-minor leaguer, wouldn't it? Doesn't matter anyway..
Whatever you want to call the KHL, that is your business... the poster is free to form his own opinion, if it doesn't jive with yours, live with it.

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