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03-20-2013, 07:44 AM
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Delorean goes to 1955.
Delorean goes back to 1985.
Delorean goes to 2015.
Delorean goes back to 1985.
Delorean goes to 2015.
Delorean goes to 1955.
Delorean goes to 2015.
Delorean goes to 1985-Altered.
Delorean goes to 1955.
Delorean goes to 1885.
Delorean sits idle until 1955.
Delorean goes to 1885.
Delorean returns finally to true 1985 and is destroyed.

There is only one Delorean the whole time.
One thing that struck me...Marty never goes back to a "true" 1985. In order for him to go back to a true 1985, he'd have to return to 1955 just before his original arrival...and kinda not do anything LOL. And then go back to 1985. Marty never returns home...so to speak.

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One thing that struck me...Marty never goes back to a "true" 1985. In order for him to go back to a true 1985, he'd have to return to 1955 just before his original arrival...and kinda not do anything LOL. And then go back to 1985. Marty never returns home...so to speak.
he would have had to stop his Dad from standing up to Biff. However, if he would have stopped his Dad from standing up to Biff, because of his earlier screw up (him getting hit by his grandfather's car instead of his dad), then his parents may have never met.....

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One thing I never understood is why Marty's parents didn't think "hang on, our kid looks exactly like that Calvin Klein guy who came to our school and played Johnny B Goode on guitar"

Same for Biff, he specifically remembers crashing into the manure truck, surely he would remember Calvin Klein. And 2015 Biff says during the hoverboard chase "there is somthing strangely familiar about all this"

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BTF has so many plot holes it's ridiculous. That said, they're still great movies. Once I can find the trilogy for like $25 or something, I'm going to buy it.

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Now you might say there should be an issue with the past Doc Brown knowing the events of future Doc Brown(and not just the fact that Libyans attempt to kill him), but Marty never actually tells Doc Brown of the past what exactly happened in the future, just that he got zapped back to 1885 and he needed his help getting the time machine back up and running so he could rescue Doc Brown's future self from an untimely death in 1885. This maintains the integrity of the events that lead to Biff stealing the Delorean and creating his alternate 1985 and Marty and future Doc Brown having to rectify it. It all comes full circle.
But if 1955 Doc knows that 1885 Doc dies, wouldn't 1955 Doc know this going into the future so that 1985 Doc should know that 1885 Doc dies? He may not know the exact circumstances, but he should know. However, when Marty goes back to 1885, Doc is completely oblivious to this fact.


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It's funny that you that picture. My father, after 10 years didn't notice that, then when I watched the movie for hte first time around 1995 I pointed it out right away

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he would have had to stop his Dad from standing up to Biff. However, if he would have stopped his Dad from standing up to Biff, because of his earlier screw up (him getting hit by his grandfather's car instead of his dad), then his parents may have never met.....
Well, he caused his dad to stand up to Biff. What he'd essentially have to do is go back and let his father get hit by the car, and then head back to 1985. That would put him back on his original timeline.

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Well, he caused his dad to stand up to Biff. What he'd essentially have to do is go back and let his father get hit by the car, and then head back to 1985. That would put him back on his original timeline.
Ya, Doc knew something was going to most likely change in the future because after Marty told him that his dad had never stood up to Biff before, Doc asked "Never?" and Marty replied with "No! Why?" and then Doc said "Nevermind" with that look on his face

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One thing I never understood is why Marty's parents didn't think "hang on, our kid looks exactly like that Calvin Klein guy who came to our school and played Johnny B Goode on guitar"

Same for Biff, he specifically remembers crashing into the manure truck, surely he would remember Calvin Klein. And 2015 Biff says during the hoverboard chase "there is somthing strangely familiar about all this"
I don't know I can barely remember what certain people I went to high school with look like when people mention their name 10 years later. Some of these people I went with for years on end, let alone some transfer student that showed up for one intense month 30 years later.

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It's funny that you that picture. My father, after 10 years didn't notice that, then when I watched the movie for hte first time around 1995 I pointed it out right away
I didn't notice that after almost 30 years until he posted that pic today

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Here's another way of looking at it.

1885 beginning--Doc Arrives. There is 1 Delorian, which Doc arrived in...it is damaged from the lightning strike. It is hid in the mineshaft.
1885, later--Marty arrives with fixed Delorian. But the DeLorian Doc arrived in has never left 1885--it is going with the normal flow of time. Thus, while it is the same DeLorian, it is present in two different forms in 1885--one in which it has been damaged by the lightning strike, and one in which that damage has been repaired using 1955 parts but now has no gas to run on.
1885, end--Marty has taken the no-gas DeLorian back to 1985. The DeLorian Doc hid in the mine shaft is still there.
1886-1954--There exists only 1 DeLorian--the one Doc hid in the mine shaft
1955, beginning--there is only that 1 DeLorian Doc hid
1955, next--Marty takes the DeLorian back in the first movie, hides it in Doc's garage. There are now 2 DeLorians--one in the mine shaft that needs to be fixed, and one in Doc's Garage that needs 1.21 gigawatts to go home. However, the characters are unaware of the existence of the mine shaft one.
1955, next--Marty/Doc come back from altered 1985, hide it behind the sign. There are now 3 DeLorians. They are aware of the one in Doc's garage, but not the one in the mine shaft
1955, next--Biff brings the DeLorian back from 2015. There are now 4 DeLorians present at that moment--in Doc's garage, in the mine shaft, behind the sign which Doc takes care of on the recon mission, and wherever Biff hid his. 2015 Biff is likely unaware of the other 3. Altered 1985 version knows of theirs, Biff's, and the one in Doc's garage. 1985 Marty and 1955 Doc know only about the one in Doc's Garage.
1955, next--Biff goes back to 2015 with the DeLorian he brought. Now back to 3 DeLorians
1955, next--Lightning strikes the upgraded DeLorian, sends it back in time. There are now 2 DeLorians--the one in the mineshaft and the one in position to get the 1.21 gigawatts in the "weather experiment" (which has been moved from Doc's garage)
1955, next--original 1985 Marty takes the one that was in Doc's garage back to 1985. Only the one in the mineshaft remains. Marty is told of its existence via courier.
1955, end--The mineshaft Delorian is found and taken back by Marty to 1885.

Now the timeline diverges. The main one:
1956-1984--There is no DeLorian present
1985--Doc invents the time travel, puts Einstein in
1985--For one minute, there is no Delorian
1985--The Delorian reappears.
1985--Marty returns from 1955, coming back 10 minutes earlier than he left to try and prevent the Libyan terrorists. There are now 2 DeLorians He leaves this on the road and runs to the mall
1985--Libyan terrorists show up, Marty takes the original DeLorian from the parking lot
1985--Doc (presumably) takes the DeLorian which Marty brought back to the future. There are now 0 DeLorians present
1985--Doc returns from the future to get Marty. It is now upgraded. There is 1 DeLorian.
1985--Doc takes Marty and Jennifer to 2015, there is no DeLorian
1985--Marty brings the DeLorian back from the wild west. It is smashed on the Train tracks. There is 1 DeLorian, but it is now in a million pieces.
1986-2014--There is no DeLorian
2015--Doc brings his DeLorian with Marty to stop Marty Jr. There is 1 DeLorian
2015--Biff takes Delorian back to 1955. There is 0 DeLorians
2015--Biff returns with DeLorian he took. There is 1 DeLorian
2015--Doc and Marty take it to altered 1985. There is 0 Delorians
2015--Doc comes with DeLorian from 1985 to get upgrades. This visit could overlap with the other 2015 events, but it is not certain. We know he is there after the other events because he sees what happens to Marty Jr after the bullying thing happens.

Altered timeline: There is 1 DeLorian, which is the upgraded one brought back from 2015. There remains only the one until they take it again to go to 1955.

I think this is a complete history of how many DeLorians are present in each time period. The maximum is 4.

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BTF has so many plot holes it's ridiculous. That said, they're still great movies. Once I can find the trilogy for like $25 or something, I'm going to buy it.

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But if 1955 Doc knows that 1885 Doc dies, wouldn't 1955 Doc know this going into the future so that 1985 Doc should know that 1885 Doc dies? He may not know the exact circumstances, but he should know. However, when Marty goes back to 1885, Doc is completely oblivious to this fact.
Like I said, it's more linear than you realize. They fix the problem before it becomes an issue. So by preventing his death in 1885, there's no longer any evidence of it in 1955 so the younger Doc no longer has the knowledge because the knowledge no longer exists.

Yeah, it gets crazy like that. Point being, Back to the Future is the easiest to follow time travel.

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Holy crap, I never noticed that. I can't believe I never noticed that.

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I never noticed it. Then again like most people I didn't have ocd and wasn't looking for the slightest movie continuity error at all time (which it isn't in this case but still). BTTF was and should be a turn off you mind and just role with it film.

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Here's another way of looking at it.

1885 beginning--Doc Arrives. There is 1 Delorian, which Doc arrived in...it is damaged from the lightning strike. It is hid in the mineshaft.
1885, later--Marty arrives with fixed Delorian. But the DeLorian Doc arrived in has never left 1885--it is going with the normal flow of time. Thus, while it is the same DeLorian, it is present in two different forms in 1885--one in which it has been damaged by the lightning strike, and one in which that damage has been repaired using 1955 parts but now has no gas to run on.
1885, end--Marty has taken the no-gas DeLorian back to 1985. The DeLorian Doc hid in the mine shaft is still there.
1886-1954--There exists only 1 DeLorian--the one Doc hid in the mine shaft
1955, beginning--there is only that 1 DeLorian Doc hid
1955, next--Marty takes the DeLorian back in the first movie, hides it in Doc's garage. There are now 2 DeLorians--one in the mine shaft that needs to be fixed, and one in Doc's Garage that needs 1.21 gigawatts to go home. However, the characters are unaware of the existence of the mine shaft one.
1955, next--Marty/Doc come back from altered 1985, hide it behind the sign. There are now 3 DeLorians. They are aware of the one in Doc's garage, but not the one in the mine shaft
1955, next--Biff brings the DeLorian back from 2015. There are now 4 DeLorians present at that moment--in Doc's garage, in the mine shaft, behind the sign which Doc takes care of on the recon mission, and wherever Biff hid his. 2015 Biff is likely unaware of the other 3. Altered 1985 version knows of theirs, Biff's, and the one in Doc's garage. 1985 Marty and 1955 Doc know only about the one in Doc's Garage.
1955, next--Biff goes back to 2015 with the DeLorian he brought. Now back to 3 DeLorians
1955, next--Lightning strikes the upgraded DeLorian, sends it back in time. There are now 2 DeLorians--the one in the mineshaft and the one in position to get the 1.21 gigawatts in the "weather experiment" (which has been moved from Doc's garage)
1955, next--original 1985 Marty takes the one that was in Doc's garage back to 1985. Only the one in the mineshaft remains. Marty is told of its existence via courier.
1955, end--The mineshaft Delorian is found and taken back by Marty to 1885.

Now the timeline diverges. The main one:
1956-1984--There is no DeLorian present
1985--Doc invents the time travel, puts Einstein in
1985--For one minute, there is no Delorian
1985--The Delorian reappears.
1985--Marty returns from 1955, coming back 10 minutes earlier than he left to try and prevent the Libyan terrorists. There are now 2 DeLorians He leaves this on the road and runs to the mall
1985--Libyan terrorists show up, Marty takes the original DeLorian from the parking lot
1985--Doc (presumably) takes the DeLorian which Marty brought back to the future. There are now 0 DeLorians present
1985--Doc returns from the future to get Marty. It is now upgraded. There is 1 DeLorian.
1985--Doc takes Marty and Jennifer to 2015, there is no DeLorian
1985--Marty brings the DeLorian back from the wild west. It is smashed on the Train tracks. There is 1 DeLorian, but it is now in a million pieces.
1986-2014--There is no DeLorian
2015--Doc brings his DeLorian with Marty to stop Marty Jr. There is 1 DeLorian
2015--Biff takes Delorian back to 1955. There is 0 DeLorians
2015--Biff returns with DeLorian he took. There is 1 DeLorian
2015--Doc and Marty take it to altered 1985. There is 0 Delorians
2015--Doc comes with DeLorian from 1985 to get upgrades. This visit could overlap with the other 2015 events, but it is not certain. We know he is there after the other events because he sees what happens to Marty Jr after the bullying thing happens.

Altered timeline: There is 1 DeLorian, which is the upgraded one brought back from 2015. There remains only the one until they take it again to go to 1955.

I think this is a complete history of how many DeLorians are present in each time period. The maximum is 4.
Wow that must of taken a while to complete, nice job. My original point still stands that in BTTF3 they didnt need to use the train or be in peril as there were 2 DeLoreans. Either needed to siphon gas from the mine one or use the 1955 mega chip that 1955 doc created on the mine DeLorean. Obviously just need to get the gas from the mine DeLorean as it would be useless anyway by 1955 and it would avoid any paradox of not having a DeLorean ever in the mine shaft to be discovered

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One thing I never understood is why Marty's parents didn't think "hang on, our kid looks exactly like that Calvin Klein guy who came to our school and played Johnny B Goode on guitar"

Same for Biff, he specifically remembers crashing into the manure truck, surely he would remember Calvin Klein. And 2015 Biff says during the hoverboard chase "there is somthing strangely familiar about all this"
It's 30 years. Would you remember exactly what some guy you knew for a couple of days looked like after 30 years?

In Biff's case it's 60 years.

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It's 30 years. Would you remember exactly what some guy you knew for a couple of days looked like after 30 years?

In Biff's case it's 60 years.
Well Biff was also 30 years as he was waxing Marty's hood

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Here's another way of looking at it.

1885 beginning--Doc Arrives. There is 1 Delorian, which Doc arrived in...it is damaged from the lightning strike. It is hid in the mineshaft.
1885, later--Marty arrives with fixed Delorian. But the DeLorian Doc arrived in has never left 1885--it is going with the normal flow of time. Thus, while it is the same DeLorian, it is present in two different forms in 1885--one in which it has been damaged by the lightning strike, and one in which that damage has been repaired using 1955 parts but now has no gas to run on.
1885, end--Marty has taken the no-gas DeLorian back to 1985. The DeLorian Doc hid in the mine shaft is still there.
1886-1954--There exists only 1 DeLorian--the one Doc hid in the mine shaft
1955, beginning--there is only that 1 DeLorian Doc hid
1955, next--Marty takes the DeLorian back in the first movie, hides it in Doc's garage. There are now 2 DeLorians--one in the mine shaft that needs to be fixed, and one in Doc's Garage that needs 1.21 gigawatts to go home. However, the characters are unaware of the existence of the mine shaft one.
1955, next--Marty/Doc come back from altered 1985, hide it behind the sign. There are now 3 DeLorians. They are aware of the one in Doc's garage, but not the one in the mine shaft
1955, next--Biff brings the DeLorian back from 2015. There are now 4 DeLorians present at that moment--in Doc's garage, in the mine shaft, behind the sign which Doc takes care of on the recon mission, and wherever Biff hid his. 2015 Biff is likely unaware of the other 3. Altered 1985 version knows of theirs, Biff's, and the one in Doc's garage. 1985 Marty and 1955 Doc know only about the one in Doc's Garage.
1955, next--Biff goes back to 2015 with the DeLorian he brought. Now back to 3 DeLorians
1955, next--Lightning strikes the upgraded DeLorian, sends it back in time. There are now 2 DeLorians--the one in the mineshaft and the one in position to get the 1.21 gigawatts in the "weather experiment" (which has been moved from Doc's garage)
1955, next--original 1985 Marty takes the one that was in Doc's garage back to 1985. Only the one in the mineshaft remains. Marty is told of its existence via courier.
1955, end--The mineshaft Delorian is found and taken back by Marty to 1885.

Now the timeline diverges. The main one:
1956-1984--There is no DeLorian present
1985--Doc invents the time travel, puts Einstein in
1985--For one minute, there is no Delorian
1985--The Delorian reappears.
1985--Marty returns from 1955, coming back 10 minutes earlier than he left to try and prevent the Libyan terrorists. There are now 2 DeLorians He leaves this on the road and runs to the mall
1985--Libyan terrorists show up, Marty takes the original DeLorian from the parking lot
1985--Doc (presumably) takes the DeLorian which Marty brought back to the future. There are now 0 DeLorians present
1985--Doc returns from the future to get Marty. It is now upgraded. There is 1 DeLorian.
1985--Doc takes Marty and Jennifer to 2015, there is no DeLorian
1985--Marty brings the DeLorian back from the wild west. It is smashed on the Train tracks. There is 1 DeLorian, but it is now in a million pieces.
1986-2014--There is no DeLorian
2015--Doc brings his DeLorian with Marty to stop Marty Jr. There is 1 DeLorian
2015--Biff takes Delorian back to 1955. There is 0 DeLorians
2015--Biff returns with DeLorian he took. There is 1 DeLorian
2015--Doc and Marty take it to altered 1985. There is 0 Delorians
2015--Doc comes with DeLorian from 1985 to get upgrades. This visit could overlap with the other 2015 events, but it is not certain. We know he is there after the other events because he sees what happens to Marty Jr after the bullying thing happens.

Altered timeline: There is 1 DeLorian, which is the upgraded one brought back from 2015. There remains only the one until they take it again to go to 1955.

I think this is a complete history of how many DeLorians are present in each time period. The maximum is 4.
Great Scott! This is heavy man.

also, I noticed that lone pine mall thing almost immediately. That was really funny.

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Wow that must of taken a while to complete, nice job. My original point still stands that in BTTF3 they didnt need to use the train or be in peril as there were 2 DeLoreans. Either needed to siphon gas from the mine one or use the 1955 mega chip that 1955 doc created on the mine DeLorean. Obviously just need to get the gas from the mine DeLorean as it would be useless anyway by 1955 and it would avoid any paradox of not having a DeLorean ever in the mine shaft to be discovered
If the Delorean wasn't in the mine shaft to be discovered, Marty wouldn't have travelled back in time to 1855 to rescue Doc, thus need to strip the part needed to fix it and/or the gas to be siphoned from it for the benefit of the other Delorean wouldn't have existed, and the Delorean would have been left in the cave to be discovered. Paradox. The simple answer wouldn't work so well in time travel, y'see

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If the Delorean wasn't in the mine shaft to be discovered, Marty wouldn't have travelled back in time to 1855 to rescue Doc, thus need to strip the part needed to fix it and/or the gas to be siphoned from it for the benefit of the other Delorean wouldn't have existed, and the Delorean would have been left in the cave to be discovered. Paradox. The simple answer wouldn't work so well in time travel, y'see
Taking gas out of the mine DeLorean to give to the one Marty uses to go to 1855 and they take back to 1985 wouldnt of changed anything

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It's 30 years. Would you remember exactly what some guy you knew for a couple of days looked like after 30 years?

In Biff's case it's 60 years.
But they didn't just "know him for a couple of days" he was pretty memorable because of all the stuff he did. It's even implied at the end of the first movie that they actually named Marty after himself when Lorraine says "Marty, such a nice name"

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How about...

Twin Pines=Twin Towers

1:16=911 upside down

1:33=133 psalm (Bibles in Freemason lodges are kept open at psalm 133, the reading of this psalm was adopted by the Knights Templar, in their initiations, since year 1128)

Not to mention this scene involved Arab Terrorists!!!



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How about...

Twin Pines=Twin Towers

1:16=911 upside down

1:33=133 psalm (Bibles in Freemason lodges are kept open at psalm 133, the reading of this psalm was adopted by the Knights Templar, in their initiations, since year 1128)

Not to mention this scene involved Arab Terrorists!!!

Also, Doc's middle name is TIME spelled backwards.

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Also, Doc's middle name is TIME spelled backwards.
I thought is was Lathrop. (which almost spells portal)

His first name is Emmett...not Emmitt.(sounds like time)

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I thought is was Lathrop. (which almost spells portal)

His first name is Emmett...not Emmitt.(sounds like time)
Yeah...sorry, meant his first name. It's meant to be TIME backwards...per Zemekis.

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