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03-17-2013, 08:34 AM
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Hainsey over Enstrom?..

Enstrom is the greater player over hainsey and he is a great player, but it seems the jets have played better without Enstrom. And he does not seem to fit the future of the jets, "bigger".
Jets played better Last year around December and now this last 12 games.

Can some tell me what is the jets record in Winnipeg with and without natron?

Assuming hainsey gets signed to a 2 yrs + option.

What can we can get for Enstrom? Or Enstrom plus or Enstrom plus burmistrov?
Can we get the elite forward that we need?

What do you think?

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03-17-2013, 08:40 AM
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I dont think you can sugn option years with nhl contracts

After signing enstrom to that long term deal, I highly doubt he gets traded any time soon

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03-17-2013, 08:42 AM
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Hainsey won't sign a 2 year contract, 3 years minimum. Probably more like 4 or 5. Options are not allowed under the CBA.

Trading Enstrom is one of the dumbest thing the Jets could do in my opinion. Trade Enstrom and there's a good chance they'll be looking for a similar guy for a decade or more.

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03-17-2013, 08:51 AM
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Having a lot of size in the lineup does not mean everyone needs to be big and certainly doesn't mean you should be trading high-level skill for mediocrity. I also don't see how Hainsey uses his size any better than Enstrom.

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03-17-2013, 09:22 AM
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I also don't see how Hainsey uses his size any better than Enstrom.
To avoid serious injury.

We're better with Enstrom, no doubt. But it might be possible to get a top line right wing for him. Still though, I'd rather hold on to him and build through the draft.

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03-17-2013, 09:29 AM
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Honestly, I think Enstrom is the exception to the "bigger is better" philosophy.

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Honestly, I think Enstrom is the exception to the "bigger is better" philosophy.
Agreed.

Brain over brawn is Enstrom's game.

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03-17-2013, 09:43 AM
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There isn't even a discussion to be had here....In my opinion

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03-17-2013, 10:27 AM
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The difference between when Enstrom was playing and the last stretch is Bogosian. Our team was noticably better when Bogosian came back, with or without Enstrom, for all of about 4 mins without.

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03-17-2013, 10:41 AM
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pavelec is playing stronger. that's the main factor of the streak.

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03-17-2013, 10:45 AM
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Hainsey plays decent, in a contract year.

Enstrom plays well every year.

The comparison is not even close between them.

Plus, I was kind of disgusted that while Bogosian stepped in last night, with his surgically repaired wrist, to defend Evander Kane last night, the supposed "veteran leader" Hainsey was on the ice being a spectator.

Hainsey is an okay defenceman, but doesn't excel anywhere, and certainly isn't a core player for the organization moving forward.

I won't be shedding any tears if Chevy decides to move him by the deadline.

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03-17-2013, 10:51 AM
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At this point I don't see this as an either or. We need them both for a playoff push. Once Toby is back Clitsome and Meech can play in roles that better suit them as 6/7 defenseman.

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03-17-2013, 11:15 AM
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pavelec is playing stronger. that's the main factor of the streak.
Bingo.

Just because we sucked to start the season when Enstrom was in, and are now playing better doesn't mean that Enstrom brought the team down. Correlation does not mean causation. IMO, when Toby comes back, Pav keeps his play up and we start smoking teams.

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03-17-2013, 11:20 AM
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this is a ridiculous thread
hainsey isa fairly bad hockey player, he has played well in his last couple, but has struggled most of the season imo
we play somegood hockey without acouple of our big players, tgat doesntmean we dontneed thiseplayers in the lineup, it just meansothers arestepping up in their absense

honestly all this trade talk is just ridiculous
i dont see the jets making much of any trades, maybe a couple small ones, and 4th line switches, but i dont think anyone major is going anyhere,
there is no reason to make a blockbuster trade in the second year

pnly change i see jets doing is signing a ufa in the offseason, hopefully perry

this whole fan philosophy of oh we won without burmi trade him, or we won without enstrom trade him, is absurd

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03-17-2013, 11:23 AM
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There isn't even a discussion to be had here....In my opinion
This.

Yeah, We've played well... but we would have played even better with Enstrom in the line up. Enstrom has proved he can play well with Buff on the top 2 pairing... Hainsey hasn't convinced me he's a top 4 defenseman.

Hainsey's a pending UFA, who's gonna be asked to take a pay cut this year in a shallow free agency year. What makes you think he'll re-sign? He's gonna test the market, and someone will over pay for him.

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pavelec is playing stronger. that's the main factor of the streak.
yup.

hainsey is an average defenceman who can be replaced by any number of younger, cheaper players....i'd put meech or redmond (hopefully) in his place without too much issue.

toby has some deficiencies but he is not easy to replace....he is the QB of our powerplay, his importance in that role has become very obvious with him out...he had more points that crosby before he went out!....

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the smaller team wins 53% of the time in the NHL.

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03-17-2013, 12:01 PM
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Enstrom is a big factor in our overall puck movement and transition game...and also frees up Buff on O. Comparing him to Hainsey is a waste of time.....


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03-17-2013, 12:27 PM
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The biggest reasons why the Jets are playing better without Enstrom is that Clitsome appears to be a better blue line babysitter for Buff than Toby.

Enstrom is a better defenceman than Clitsome, but your defensive partner can either make you or ruin you.

A pairing of Enstrom and Bogo would be a powerhouse.

Also as of late when Buff decides that he's leaving the blue line to play up front, a forward is always shifting back to the blue line to take his spot. This shift was not being done before and our opponents were getting odd man rushes all the time.

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03-17-2013, 12:31 PM
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I like Ron, but I am excited to get Toby back.

Improved goaltending, specifically on the PK has keyed the turnaround. If Pav keeps ot up and Toby returns the Jets should continue to improve.

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03-17-2013, 12:32 PM
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yup.

hainsey is an average defenceman who can be replaced by any number of younger, cheaper players....i'd put meech or redmond (hopefully) in his place without too much issue.

toby has some deficiencies but he is not easy to replace....he is the QB of our powerplay, his importance in that role has become very obvious with him out...he had more points that crosby before he went out!....
Enstrom hasn't exactly overwhelmed me as the PP QB with the Jets, he forces the puck too much and makes a lot of bad reads.

Jets 9-4-1 since Enstrom went out.

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03-17-2013, 12:37 PM
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Cause and effect aren't so easy to prove. You think Enstrom being out of the lineup is the reason our PK turned around, too?

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03-17-2013, 12:42 PM
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FWIW, I think Hainsey has improved his game significantly. He's doing well with #44 matching up against top lines.

But where he excels is playing defense. I cringe whenever Hainsey gets the put -- in our end or theirs -- b/c he holds it forever, either to force a pass into someone's feet, ice the puck or totally blow a golden scoring chance. I think it's terribly ironic he was drafted by MTL to be an offensive defenseman. He can skate the puck, but God does he take an hour to make a decision.

I'm super happy with his positioning, shot blocking, forcing turnovers, etc. Great job, Ron. But to compare his game with a pure talent like Enstrom is laughable IMO.

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03-17-2013, 01:12 PM
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The biggest reasons why the Jets are playing better without Enstrom is that Clitsome appears to be a better blue line babysitter for Buff than Toby.

Enstrom is a better defenceman than Clitsome, but your defensive partner can either make you or ruin you.

A pairing of Enstrom and Bogo would be a powerhouse.

Also as of late when Buff decides that he's leaving the blue line to play up front, a forward is always shifting back to the blue line to take his spot. This shift was not being done before and our opponents were getting odd man rushes all the time.
i cannot disagree with this more. Clitsome has been a decent backup to buff, don't get me wrong. But the work Toby does with Buff gets overshadowed by Buff, and Toby does not get nearly the amount of credit he deserves for his work.

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Enstrom hasn't exactly overwhelmed me as the PP QB with the Jets, he forces the puck too much and makes a lot of bad reads.

Jets 9-4-1 since Enstrom went out.

9-4-1 since Bogos return is more telling of the last 14 games

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