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03-20-2013, 11:55 AM
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Importance of finishing 1st

Sure seems like the West is a 7 team conference. I'd much rather have San Jose/Dallas/Phoenix/Columbus than the Canucks or Red Wings in the first round.

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03-20-2013, 11:58 AM
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It's very important that no matter who we wind up playing, we have home ice.

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About as important as it was in 2010.

So not important.

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03-20-2013, 12:08 PM
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I don't think it's that important at all. Lots of teams have won the Presidents trophy and not the Cup.

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03-20-2013, 12:09 PM
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Yeah, I definitely want 1st place. They've had it all year, need to finish the job. It is huge to have home ice in the finals. That's the main reason.

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03-20-2013, 12:27 PM
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Want home ice in the Finals?

We're 5 points up on Pitt with 2 games in hand.
Montreal can still actually get more points than Pitt in the East, so we'll use them for the magic number.

They can get to 81 points if Montreal wins out, so we need 82. We're at 51. Need 31 points over the last 19 games, or:

14-3-3 (or anything better) locks up Home Ice if we happen to get to the Finals.



To have home ice through the western playoff run, we need 87 points if Anaheim wins out. That means we need 36 more in 19 games.

17-0-2

Win tonight and that changes to needing 85 points, or 32 more in 18 games.

15-1-2

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Of course itís always nice to have home ice, especially in the finals - but, imo, whatís probably more important is which team we draw, or should I say, donít draw in the first round. Iíd rather play certain teams after they are softened up a bit, hence, it certainly wouldnít be in our best interest to be matched up against Kings, Blues or Canucks to begin the playoffs. And by the looks of their play, we can add Ducks to that list. That said, no matter who we play in round 1, it will be tough to prevail ( home ice certainly canít hurt). I can foresee Hawks going right to the final if they can advance past that first series.

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03-20-2013, 12:50 PM
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About as important as it was in 2010.

So not important.
I agree with this.

Even if the 8th seeded team is a worse team, there's a decent chance a hot run got them in to the show, and then we've all seen what average teams that are hot can do. The 2012 Kings and 2010 Flyers as recent examples.

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I agree with this.

Even if the 8th seeded team is a worse team, there's a decent chance a hot run got them in to the show, and then we've all seen what average teams that are hot can do. The 2012 Kings and 2010 Flyers as recent examples.
Neither the Flyers or the Kings were "average" teams. Both were expected to make the playoffs and both were expected to challenge for their divisions in each season - they simply had disappointing regular seasons.

Kings 2012 roster - Kopitar, Brown, Richards, Carter, Doughty, Williams, Stoll, Quick; That's not "average" talent.

Flyers 2010 roster - Pronger, Richards, Carter, Briere, Giroux, Hartnell, Timonen; Again, not "average" talent.

No matter who you face in the 1st round, it's going to be tough. It's the toughest series to win, no matter how talented a team you are.

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The Flyers got healthy right before the playoffs. The Kings played really well after the deadline deal for Carter

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Remember how excited we were when we got Phoenix in the 1st round? The playoffs are tough. You have to beat great teams and beat them on the road too

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Want home ice in the Finals?

We're 5 points up on Pitt with 2 games in hand.
Montreal can still actually get more points than Pitt in the East, so we'll use them for the magic number.

They can get to 81 points if Montreal wins out, so we need 82. We're at 51. Need 31 points over the last 19 games, or:

14-3-3 (or anything better) locks up Home Ice if we happen to get to the Finals.



To have home ice through the western playoff run, we need 87 points if Anaheim wins out. That means we need 36 more in 19 games.

17-0-2

Win tonight and that changes to needing 85 points, or 32 more in 18 games.

15-1-2
Making any kind of assumption that a team will "win out" is pretty silly and a waste of time.

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Remember how excited we were when we got Phoenix in the 1st round? The playoffs are tough. You have to beat great teams and beat them on the road too
I don't think anyone was excited, just relieved it wasn't Vancouver or Nashville. But IIRC, a few of us mentioned that we always struggled against the Yotes, and I think I said I wouldn't be surprised if PHX won the series, mainly because our captain wasn't even close to 100% healthy.

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Remember how excited we were when we got Phoenix in the 1st round? The playoffs are tough. You have to beat great teams and beat them on the road too
Well, the Hawks did go 2-1 in Phoenix

Maybe we should tank for 8th?

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I hated that matchup (Phoenix). I also don't want to play them again.

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Sure seems like the West is a 7 team conference. I'd much rather have San Jose/Dallas/Phoenix/Columbus than the Canucks or Red Wings in the first round.
I would not want to play Phoenix in the first round. Detroit i'd be more than fine with.

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If the team has a good goalie / defensive system (Phoenix, Nashville, Dallas, Vancouver), not interested, leave them for another round, although I don't fear Vancouver nearly as much as the others I listed.

Anyone else though, like San Jose or Detroit, yeah, bring em on, short series IMO.

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Making any kind of assumption that a team will "win out" is pretty silly and a waste of time.
Yes, magic numbers that have been used across all sports for decades is a complete waste of time.

What a moronic statement.

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I don't care who we play, we are the better team

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Yes, magic numbers that have been used across all sports for decades is a complete waste of time.

What a moronic statement.
pretty much only used in baseball and generally not until the last like 15% of the season...

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The President's trophy is so meaningless.

This team can win on the road.

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03-20-2013, 04:25 PM
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Finishing first is mostly unimportant. Rinks are much more standardized now--size, boards, glass--so home ice quirks are less of a factor (e.g. Chicago Stadium was only 188 x 85 which compressed the neutral zone which away teams had to adapt to). As for matchups, you might get lucky and dodge a tough matchup in one series, but to get to the SCF you have to go through the tough teams sooner or later (although it does help to get through each series in 6 games or less).


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Finishing first is mostly unimportant. Rinks are much more standardized now--size, boards, glass--so home ice quirks are less of a factor (e.g. Chicago Stadium was only 188 x 85 which compressed the neutral zone which away teams had to adapt to). As for matchups, you might get lucky and dodge a tough matchup in one series, but to get to the SCF you have to go through the tough teams sooner or later (although it does help to get through each series in 6 games or less).
Getting home-ice allows Q to get the matchups he wants in 4/7 games and, I know everyone's going to love this.. Chicago's faceoffs home/away stats:

Toews - Home, 60.0%; Away, 58.9%
Bolland - Home, 50.3%; Away, 40.6%
Kruger - Home, 50.0%; Away, 41.0%
Shaw - Home, 44.0%; Away, 42.9%

Every Chicago centre is better on draws at home than on the road, though in the case of Toews and Shaw, it's negligible but in the case of Bolland and Kruger, it's quite significant.

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Dont care about the Presidents trophy but I'll take home ice and the home crowd every time even if the advantage is marginal. Yeah the Hawks proved they can win at home and on the road.

Id rather have the Hawks face Detroit than Phoenix.

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Getting home-ice allows Q to get the matchups he wants in 4/7 games and, I know everyone's going to love this.. Chicago's faceoffs home/away stats:

Toews - Home, 60.0%; Away, 58.9%
Bolland - Home, 50.3%; Away, 40.6%
Kruger - Home, 50.0%; Away, 41.0%
Shaw - Home, 44.0%; Away, 42.9%

Every Chicago centre is better on draws at home than on the road, though in the case of Toews and Shaw, it's negligible but in the case of Bolland and Kruger, it's quite significant.
Interesting, but it only nets out to Q getting the preferred match-up in one game more which might equate to a difference of a couple of faceoffs in game 7. I would also expect Q to have Jonny take as many draws as possible in a game 7 so I'm not sure home ice would make a difference in the dot.

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