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03-25-2013, 12:50 PM
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Considering Murray just got two seconds, and the year Gonchar is having, more than two seconds is a given.
Considering what Murray got, Gonchar should yield a first round pick + top prospect at the least.

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Could easily say "stronger and tougher".
They gotta catch you first.

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Based on the acquisitions of Morrow and Murray, I think it’s safe to say the Penguins are going all-in on winning the 2010 Stanley Cup.

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The bar has been set.

Buyers at the deadline will be paying a premium. Hopefully we aren't one of those teams.

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03-25-2013, 12:57 PM
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So if we put the two deals Shero has made it looks like this:

Brenden Morrow
Douglas Murray
3rd Round Pick

Joe Morrow
2nd Round pick
2nd Round Pick
5th Round Pick

Wouldn't be to happy if I was a Pens fan.

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03-25-2013, 01:15 PM
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So if we put the two deals Shero has made it looks like this:

Brenden Morrow
Douglas Murray
3rd Round Pick

Joe Morrow
2nd Round pick
2nd Round Pick
5th Round Pick

Wouldn't be to happy if I was a Pens fan.
You really think this hurts their chances at a cup this year?

Or at drafting the next Crosby/Malkin?

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03-25-2013, 01:16 PM
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Two second rounders for Douglas Murray? I'm stunned. I guess this means Mike Lundin has to be worth a least one of those.

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You really think this hurts their chances at a cup this year?

Or at drafting the next Crosby/Malkin?
Nope, that's not what I said.

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03-25-2013, 01:28 PM
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So if we put the two deals Shero has made it looks like this:

Brenden Morrow
Douglas Murray
3rd Round Pick

Joe Morrow
2nd Round pick
2nd Round Pick
5th Round Pick

Wouldn't be to happy if I was a Pens fan.
Why not? The % of 2nd round picks that play in the NHL are very low. Joe Morrow has done what? You're giving up prospects for players that already contribute at the NHL level in a pretty decent, if not high, capacity.

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03-25-2013, 01:31 PM
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Nope, that's not what I said.
Care to explain why you "Wouldn't be to happy if I was a Pens fan" then?

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03-25-2013, 01:33 PM
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Care to explain why you "Wouldn't be to happy if I was a Pens fan" then?
Seemed to me he was saying that's a lot of picks for bad players.

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More on Murray deal: the 2nd pick in 2014 based on Pitt winning 2 playoff rounds OR resigning him and if neither occurs, it's a 3rd in 2014

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Seemed to me he was saying that's a lot of picks for bad players.
Would he need to be a Pens fan to say that?

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Wade Redden hasn't had a - game since February 11th.

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03-25-2013, 02:17 PM
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Care to explain why you "Wouldn't be to happy if I was a Pens fan" then?
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Seemed to me he was saying that's a lot of picks for bad players.
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Would he need to be a Pens fan to say that?
It's terrible value for two soon-to-be UFAs in their 30s.

First of all, Morrow. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I've seen him play this season like many would, but judging by most fans on here (Dallas & other fan bases in the West), he hasn't been playing good this season. Does that mean he isn't going to be rejuvenated and be useful for the Pens? No, absolutely not. But is that worth giving up a top prospect in Joe Morrow, who you picked in the first round not even 2 years ago, and hope BMorrow is going to be useful?

For comparison's sake, would you trade Noesen + 5th for Brenden Morrow + 3rd? I know we and Pittsburgh are not in the same situation but let's pretend Spezz, Karlsson, Cowen, Michalek weren't injured. I guess we'll see in the future which team got the best out of that deal.


And for DMurray, again I'm basing this on what people have said on here and the short amount of time I've seen him play, but he's viewed as a #4-5 D who is 33yo and is going to be a UFA at season's end. Yet you trade 2 2nd Rounders for him. That's alot for an average rental.

Let's revisit some trades that we're made close to the deadline last year: Nicklas Grossman, a younger and better player than Murray, was traded to Philly for a 2nd and 3rd rounder. Kubina, who I view as being similar value to Murray maybe a bit more, was traded for Jon Kalinski, a 4th round pick and a conditional 2nd rounder. Yet Murray is able to fetch two 2nd rounders?

For comparison's sake, let's say Bishop has 2nd round value, would you trade Bishop + 2nd rounder for Douglas Murray? I know we and Pittsburgh are not in the same situation but let's pretend Spezz, Karlsson, Cowen, Michalek weren't injured. I guess we'll see in the future which team got the best out of that deal.


I said I wouldn't be happy if I was a Pens fans because, in my opinion, Shero overpaid for both players. Maybe that's what the market is set at, but he overpaid nonetheless, in my opinion. I'm not a Pens fans tho, so I'm not mad.

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Wade Redden hasn't had a - game since February 11th.
I watched part of the St. Louis-Edmonton game the other day, and I'm 99% sure he played

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03-25-2013, 02:24 PM
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I watched part of the St. Louis-Edmonton game the other day, and I'm 99% sure he played
Yep he did. Made some nice plays of I remember correctly and as was said, still wasn't a minus player.

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I watched part of the St. Louis-Edmonton game the other day, and I'm 99% sure he played
He meant he hasn't had a minus game. the '-' in his post is kind of misleading lol.

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^^^^ (Emerica)

Thanks for that, and I didn't mean to be a dick about it- but I could see how I could have come off that way- so thanks for clarifying.

I'm not a proponent of Moronto/Muckler-style draft-schmaft trades, but the Pens are a totally different beast, and I can't overlook that, and for that reason I can't play along with your "if it was us" hypothetical, because I would feel like it was a massive overpayment for us.

They have the 2 best centermen in the world. They have one of the best offensive D-men in the league. Their core is set, and these trades addressed needs. Their roster can be rounded out with cheap, serviceable players in the future.

I hope they don't work out for the Pens, but on paper it's an upgrade- and I liked Joe Morrow a lot.

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He meant he hasn't had a minus game. the '-' in his post is kind of misleading lol.
I didn't even notice the -

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lol wtf...

It's a big commitment to a guy who is half a season away from not finding any suitors willing to give him any length.

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Carolina Hurricanes sign Alex Semin, 5 years at $7 million per #TSN
Risky

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UFA pool will be depressing. Hope we can trade for good players from teams in cap trouble.

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That is a lot of money.

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Semin has fit in really well with Carolina. Now that the security is there I hope it continues for him.

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