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03-21-2013, 11:34 AM
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This fanbase really is amazing sometimes. We have the best record in the league, we lose a one goal game (with an empty netter) to one of the best teams in the league with 2 of our top 4 forwards out and all of a sudden we should be trading our #2 D and picking up a #2 C. Fans from other teams must come on this board and think "what the hell is wrong with these people?".
You don't thinks it's necessary to beat "one of the best teams in the league?" And don't forget, Anaheim was without Perry last night.

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**** that line of thinking. Do you not remember all of the heat Q was getting leading up into this season? Few were saying, "He coached the team to the Cup, nuff said" Why is baldilocks immune?
So he only gets credit when he adds guys at the deadline? Got it. Clearly Bowman has put together a great team with manageable contracts and a stocked farm system. I don't see how you can say anything other than he's done a great job. The team needs to win in the playoffs for sure, but to say he's done nothing is just stupid.

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I don't care about the President's Trophy.
In fact, I'd rather some other team get it every year.

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03-21-2013, 11:39 AM
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This was talked about earlier, no Hossa, no Sharp and 4 days rest between the next game is why Kaner was pulling double duty.
Obviously that's why, but it's not as if he's the only top 6 capable winger on the team. Double shifting here and there isn't a problem but 25 minutes is absurd.

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03-21-2013, 11:40 AM
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I don't see how you can say anything other than he's done a great job.
Yeah, I know. There is a rather large faction of this board that has NEVER criticized him.

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03-21-2013, 12:06 PM
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When the Hawks had two straight first round losses after they had their big run in 92, the team went out in the off season and got Bernie Nicholls a true offensive centremen. He ran the second line with Joe Murphy while Roenick ran the top line with Amonte. Nicholls had 51 points also in a 48 game lockout shortened season. The Hawks also went to the Conference Finals that year. The joys of a true second line centre. Oh and let's not talk Bout Sharp playing second line centre in the 2010 Cup year Anymore.

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03-21-2013, 12:48 PM
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So what? The Hawks were the 2 seed in 2010 as well. If the Ducks win the presidents trophy its not a big deal. Anyone remember what this board was like in March 2010 when the Hawks lost 8 of 11?
haha seriously it was like five games in a row of blown leads

We just need BWC to drop the topic bomb to turn things around if things get worse

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03-21-2013, 12:50 PM
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People keep freaking about about needing a 2C need to understand that no matter who the Hawks acquired it wouldn't be a cure all. Ribs is an awful defensive player, horrid at face offs, and has character baggage. Roy is an average defensive player, but makes the top 6 even smaller and less physical (and he is playing for Dallas and GMJN doesn't trade roster players to other teams in the West). Every team has holes and every players has warts.

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not at all, but partly directed to me?
No, it wasn't directed at you at all. Your are not one of the people I was talking about.

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According to a lot of posters, #2C's grow on trees and are available for picks and prospects.

Guess what, you want a #2 C long term, it's going to cost us 1 of Leddy, Hjalmarsson, or a guy from the core.

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Scratching Bolland for a few games would be addition by subtraction.

And, Brandon Pirri now leads the awful Icehogs with 51pts in 62 games and is a +1.

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The Hawks biggest problem is not the lack of a 2nd line center. Their big problem is the major lack of toughness. They have some big boys on the team but none want to hit on a regular basis. If Bowman is going to acquire any players at the deadline, he needs to bring in a couple of rough and tough players who can also play hockey. These guys play charmin soft and relying on their puck control game alone will not take them far into the playoffs. The playoffs are a whole different ball game - a lot rougher and tougher. They won in 2010 because of guys like Buff, Ladd, Eager, Fraser, etc. who weren't afraid to hit on a regular basis and played hard along the boards and in the corners. The 2nd line is a disaster because Kane is small, Bolland is way out of place, Sharpie is out and Hayes will not use his size to his advantage. The Hawks do not need a finesse 2nd line center but rather a cheaper 2nd line center with size, who can back check, win face offs and is not afraid to throw his weight around. The other need is more size on the fourth line who can play hockey, win face offs and has the size to hit and will hit regularly to intimidate his opponents. Seabs is the only defense man who actually hits regularly. Lack of toughness on defense is another big problem. Bottom line is that the Hawks have very little toughness on the team which will show up big time in the playoffs if this is not corrected at the deadline.

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03-21-2013, 01:16 PM
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The Hawks biggest problem is not the lack of a 2nd line center. Their big problem is the major lack of toughness. They have some big boys on the team but none want to hit on a regular basis. If Bowman is going to acquire any players at the deadline, he needs to bring in a couple of rough and tough players who can also play hockey. These guys play charmin soft and relying on their puck control game alone will not take them far into the playoffs. The playoffs are a whole different ball game - a lot rougher and tougher. They won in 2010 because of guys like Buff, Ladd, Eager, Fraser, etc. who weren't afraid to hit on a regular basis and played hard along the boards and in the corners. The 2nd line is a disaster because Kane is small, Bolland is way out of place, Sharpie is out and Hayes will not use his size to his advantage. The Hawks do not need a finesse 2nd line center but rather a cheaper 2nd line center with size, who can back check, win face offs and is not afraid to throw his weight around. The other need is more size on the fourth line who can play hockey, win face offs and has the size to hit and will hit regularly to intimidate his opponents. Seabs is the only defense man who actually hits regularly. Lack of toughness on defense is another big problem. Bottom line is that the Hawks have very little toughness on the team which will show up big time in the playoffs if this is not corrected at the deadline.


The only real difference was Byfuglien and a guy like that isn't coming back, he's a RARE breed. Stalberg/Shaw/Bickell have plenty of grit and our fourth line is great on the boards too. The only soft spot we have is 2C and that's because Bolland has some sort of issue which prevents him from being old gritty Bolland.

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03-21-2013, 01:19 PM
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The Hawks biggest problem is not the lack of a 2nd line center. Their big problem is the major lack of toughness. They have some big boys on the team but none want to hit on a regular basis. If Bowman is going to acquire any players at the deadline, he needs to bring in a couple of rough and tough players who can also play hockey. These guys play charmin soft and relying on their puck control game alone will not take them far into the playoffs. The playoffs are a whole different ball game - a lot rougher and tougher. They won in 2010 because of guys like Buff, Ladd, Eager, Fraser, etc. who weren't afraid to hit on a regular basis and played hard along the boards and in the corners. The 2nd line is a disaster because Kane is small, Bolland is way out of place, Sharpie is out and Hayes will not use his size to his advantage. The Hawks do not need a finesse 2nd line center but rather a cheaper 2nd line center with size, who can back check, win face offs and is not afraid to throw his weight around. The other need is more size on the fourth line who can play hockey, win face offs and has the size to hit and will hit regularly to intimidate his opponents. Seabs is the only defense man who actually hits regularly. Lack of toughness on defense is another big problem. Bottom line is that the Hawks have very little toughness on the team which will show up big time in the playoffs if this is not corrected at the deadline.
The above will fall on many deaf ears here, and more importantly on Stan. The Bowmans have adopted the Wings model but have taken the finesse play and players to another level. The rest of the NHL has pretty much gone another route and most recognize the need for tough gritty players to compete at the playoff level. Time will tell if Hawks know something that the other teams don't.

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03-21-2013, 01:33 PM
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What would be the harm in bringing up Pirri. We know the guy has skills, he's getting good numbers on the farm. If we're gonna do it now is the time. Deadline is 2 weeks away so Pirri would have five games before the trade deadline. Not much point doing it after if it doesn't work out were hooped. Bolland isn't magically going to get better.

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03-21-2013, 01:51 PM
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What would be the harm in bringing up Pirri. We know the guy has skills, he's getting good numbers on the farm. If we're gonna do it now is the time. Deadline is 2 weeks away so Pirri would have five games before the trade deadline. Not much point doing it after if it doesn't work out were hooped. Bolland isn't magically going to get better.
He has to have some type of nagging injury which he chooses to (probably via painkillers) ignore come playoff time. Whatever it is, it's obvious the lockout + offseason wasn't enough time to fix it.

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Hey guys. Ducks fan coming in peace.

How bout last night? I mean I know the result didn't go your way, but it was entertaining playoff hockey and it was a ton of fun.

Hawks are still very much my third team, so all this success and being right above the Ducks have left me conflicted all year. Anyway hope these two play in the post-season. It would be a ton of fun. Good luck the rest of the way and I guess, see ya in 8 days

EDIT: Oh and by the way, I know it's already painfully obvious to you guys but Toews is just a terrific kind of player. You're lucky to have him.

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He's just in a different role. He's not meant to play 2C as we're finding out. He earned his shot at that position, but its not looking like its meant to be.

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He's just in a different role. He's not meant to play 2C as we're finding out. He earned his shot at that position, but its not looking like its meant to be.
He earned his shot and did not take advantage of the situation. He is a 3C and we have 2 of those at the moment with Shaw. I would rather Shaw be on the 2nd line to be honest if this is the way Bolland is going to play.

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What would be the harm in bringing up Pirri. We know the guy has skills, he's getting good numbers on the farm. If we're gonna do it now is the time. Deadline is 2 weeks away so Pirri would have five games before the trade deadline. Not much point doing it after if it doesn't work out were hooped. Bolland isn't magically going to get better.
The Chicago Blackhawks need to send down Jimmy Hayes and bring up Jeremy Morin. Jeremy Morin is the closest representation to Patrick Sharp with the Rockford Icehogs.

Jimmy Hayes is not a top 6 forward in the NHL.

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They won in 2010 because of guys like Buff, Ladd, Eager, Fraser, etc. who weren't afraid to hit on a regular basis and played hard along the boards and in the corners.
Colin Fraser only played three games in the 2010 playoffs. Ben Eager only averaged 6:02 of ice time per game while Adam Burish only averaged 5:35 of ice time per game in the 2010 playoffs. Andrew Ladd was a saint compared to Tuomo Ruutu. Dustin Byfuglien decided to show up in the playoffs after sleep walking thru half the regular season.

The Chicago Blackhawks outgunned the competition in the 2010 NHL playoffs aided by some timely saves by Antti Niemi.

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You don't thinks it's necessary to beat "one of the best teams in the league?" And don't forget, Anaheim was without Perry last night.
And we were without Sharp and Hossa. But please, everyone jump off the ledge.

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And we were without Sharp and Hossa. But please, everyone jump off the ledge.
Was that Johnny Oduya on the ice last night or Chris Campoli? Frankly, I could not tell the difference.

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And we were without Sharp and Hossa. But please, everyone jump off the ledge.
This totally. Some minor adjustments can be made. And we have a large enough lead where a prospect can be brought in and not upset the apple cart. But Hayes....is not cutting it.

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hayes was far better than bolland yesterday.

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hayes was far better than bolland yesterday.
That's not saying much.

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