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07-13-2013, 10:30 PM
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I would be willing to bet that Bud is either signed by us (doubtful but outside possibility) or he is gone from the Kings. That much I would bet quite a bit on.
One more day to find out.

Or is it two days? Does his SHL contract kick in on July 15th, or is July 15th the last day he has to sign in NHL before the contract kick in in the SEL?

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I think Bud's finding out that there really wasn't much interest in him with the rest of the league and that his only remaining options are to sign with the Kings or go back to Sweden. Ooops...save face or the NHL dream. Tough choice.

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I think Bud's finding out that there really wasn't much interest in him with the rest of the league and that his only remaining options are to sign with the Kings or go back to Sweden. Ooops...save face or the NHL dream. Tough choice.
Or maybe there's plenty of interest, just none guaranteeing as much as the SHL will? The lack of a contract doesn't mean doom and gloom for Bud.

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The only way to guarantee he stays in the NHL all season long is with a No Movement Clause, and if he thinks some team is going to give him one without having played a single NHL game then he's likely also dumb enough to buy ocean front property in Manitoba.

He may get a one-way deal (meaning he gets paid his full salary whether in the minors or NHL) but he won't get a NMC.
Sorry I guess i didnt make myself clear. I ment he wouldnt be sent to the ahl again there no way he would come back here with that as a chance imo. Im sure he wouldnt mind being traded giving him a better shot at a full time job,To him being in sweden would ve alot better then going back to the ahl.

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Sorry I guess i didnt make myself clear. I ment he wouldnt be sent to the ahl again there no way he would come back here with that as a chance imo. Im sure he wouldnt mind being traded giving him a better shot at a full time job,To him being in sweden would ve alot better then going back to the ahl.
I doubt a team would ever guarantee that to a player. If Holloway signed with the Kings and then went on to produce 5 points in his first 40 games I doubt Lombardi would handcuff Sutter like that and not send him down just because Holloway doesn't want to go. If he doesn't report to the AHL after getting sent down, oh well.

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07-14-2013, 12:45 AM
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Or maybe there's plenty of interest, just none guaranteeing as much as the SHL will? The lack of a contract doesn't mean doom and gloom for Bud.
Who said anything about doom and gloom?

If there was plenty of interest and Bud's priority is to make it in the NHL( according to some around here), what's the point of having a crutch that is the SEL? You're implying that there's plenty of interest in him in the NHL - I would assume it'd be MORE than what the Kings are offering, yes?

So if what you're saying is true, then Bud's motivation is money first and NHL second. And I think many people have already said as much.

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07-14-2013, 12:53 AM
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Lombardi used him as an insurance plan in case we didn't get a LW. Now that we got frattin, lombardi probably wanted to sign him for cheap on a 2 way. No other team is willing to outbid the SEL.

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So if what you're saying is true, then Bud's motivation is money first and NHL second. And I think many people have already said as much.
Bud has turned down offerings with alot of money from the KHL so I don't think you're correct there, I think he wants to play his best hockey and have fun, he did 3 years in AHL without getting a shot in NHL, now he's in the SHL and don't wanna take a step backwards.

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Bud has turned down offerings with alot of money from the KHL so I don't think you're correct there, I think he wants to play his best hockey and have fun, he did 3 years in AHL without getting a shot in NHL, now he's in the SHL and don't wanna take a step backwards.
I have the felling Bud is looking for KHL money from the NHL... Filling out the Kings roster from where it stands there is about 1.2 Million left... So unless he is looking at 1M then he can go back to where ever he came from... also if he does come to play for the Kings he should be offered a minimum 2-3 year deal. Don't need someone to play on a 1 year deal to up his value and cash out UFA (not that Bud would ever split on the Kings)... I would rather the experience go to one of the other LW's the Kings have.

Bud's timing on this is terrible.. next year with the cap going up the Kings could probably offer him more, but there isn't a lot of space left.

So the deadline is 5pm Sweden time or something? at around 8 hours ahead that's around 9 hours till this thread ends? Forgot what day it was it may actually be 1 a whole day before this thread ends... now I'm truly depressed...


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07-14-2013, 08:45 AM
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Most SEL contracts have an NHL out clause so I doubt there is an actual deadline. I believe in one of the interviews with Bud he said he has an NHL out clause.

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Most SEL contracts have an NHL out clause so I doubt there is an actual deadline. I believe in one of the interviews with Bud he said he has an NHL out clause.
I could be wrong but I think the out clause is what's allowing him to have this window until July 15th in the first place.

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07-14-2013, 09:13 AM
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I think New Jersey should sign him. Bud would be their 4th or 5th best forward, on their current roster.

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Most SEL contracts have an NHL out clause so I doubt there is an actual deadline. I believe in one of the interviews with Bud he said he has an NHL out clause.
The dead line is the 15 of july midnight not sure if its there time or ours and Bud is not asking anywere near what he was offered to play in the KHL. Sure hope they can get something done.

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07-14-2013, 12:26 PM
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I think New Jersey should sign him. Bud would be their 4th or 5th best forward, on their current roster.
Probably a low risk signing for Lou, and the Debbies probably could use the help on LW.

Holloway would likely get an opportunity to let his skill show on that team.

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07-14-2013, 12:45 PM
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Who said anything about doom and gloom?

If there was plenty of interest and Bud's priority is to make it in the NHL( according to some around here), what's the point of having a crutch that is the SEL? You're implying that there's plenty of interest in him in the NHL - I would assume it'd be MORE than what the Kings are offering, yes?

So if what you're saying is true, then Bud's motivation is money first and NHL second. And I think many people have already said as much.
The doom and gloom comment was in reference to you claiming Bud would have to "save face" or take less than he wants on an NHL deal.

I however am not implying anything. There might be zero interest in Bud, You and I know absolutely nothing about the process. All I'm saying is that a lack of a contract doesn't mean Bud has to save face. He could simply be guaranteed more money in Sweden than what he's being offered in the NHL. That does not mean that Bud is just money first, NHL second. He could simply be worrying about securing his financial future, which is the primary goal of almost all players in his situation. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to play in the NHL really bad, but he also doesn't have $10 million in the bank like some other NHL players. He has a responsibility to secure his future, just like we all do who aren't millionaires.

I'd kill to play in the NHL. But if I had a chance to play in the SHL for say $600,000, or in the NHL on a two-way deal that guaranteed me only $100,000, I'm off to the SHL. I can't pass up that much financial security just to pursue my dream, even though it's a huge dream of mine. I could get injured, my career be over, and then what? I'm out $500,000 and have life long concerns over my future.

It's not about being money over NHL, it's about being practical.

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So the deadline is 5pm Sweden time or something? at around 8 hours ahead that's around 9 hours till this thread ends? Forgot what day it was it may actually be 1 a whole day before this thread ends... now I'm truly depressed...
This thread will never end.

Ever.

It's the Hotel California of threads. You can never leave.

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07-14-2013, 03:08 PM
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The doom and gloom comment was in reference to you claiming Bud would have to "save face" or take less than he wants on an NHL deal.

I however am not implying anything. There might be zero interest in Bud, You and I know absolutely nothing about the process. All I'm saying is that a lack of a contract doesn't mean Bud has to save face. He could simply be guaranteed more money in Sweden than what he's being offered in the NHL. That does not mean that Bud is just money first, NHL second. He could simply be worrying about securing his financial future, which is the primary goal of almost all players in his situation. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to play in the NHL really bad, but he also doesn't have $10 million in the bank like some other NHL players. He has a responsibility to secure his future, just like we all do who aren't millionaires.

I'd kill to play in the NHL. But if I had a chance to play in the SHL for say $600,000, or in the NHL on a two-way deal that guaranteed me only $100,000, I'm off to the SHL. I can't pass up that much financial security just to pursue my dream, even though it's a huge dream of mine. I could get injured, my career be over, and then what? I'm out $500,000 and have life long concerns over my future.

It's not about being money over NHL, it's about being practical.
Well....practical or not, the fact is if an NHL team already offered what he thinks is ENOUGH for him to get a chance to play in the NHL, he'd have signed by now.

What sort of money would it take for you to choose the NHL over the SEL in your own example? $400K? $500K? $800K? At some point, you'd have to choose your dream - if indeed that dream is important to you. But if you'd rather take the money, great! Just don't say that playing in the NHL is most important thing in your life when clearly it isn't.

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Probably a low risk signing for Lou, and the Debbies probably could use the help on LW.

Holloway would likely get an opportunity to let his skill show on that team.
But you know, the money has to be enough to justify not playing in the SEL where he's a star. Bud don't care if he never plays in the NHL if the money is not there.

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Bud has turned down offerings with alot of money from the KHL so I don't think you're correct there, I think he wants to play his best hockey and have fun, he did 3 years in AHL without getting a shot in NHL, now he's in the SHL and don't wanna take a step backwards.
But the fact is, he won't sign for anything less than perhaps what the SEL can pay him for him to play in the NHL. Plus, if it turns out he's not good enough to be in the NHL (with whatever team), he wants to go running back to the SEL without consequence. WTF is that?

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Isn't it time to lock up this thread. The deadline is almost reached.

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Butt Holiday - 2 1/2 seasons in the AHL, lickedy split

Slava "molten lava" Voynov - 3 1/2 AHL

Some guys deserve to be in the NHL. This guy obviously thinks it is his right. I understand he has a family and its his decision but I have to speculate Internet hardcore that as a good Franchise we are better off without this drama.

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Butt Holiday - 2 1/2 seasons in the AHL, lickedy split

Slava "molten lava" Voynov - 3 1/2 AHL

Some guys deserve to be in the NHL. This guy obviously thinks it is his right. I understand he has a family and its his decision but I have to speculate Internet hardcore that as a good Franchise we are better off without this drama.
Dead ****ing on.

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Kinda just wondering...who is his agent?

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Isn't it time to lock up this thread. The deadline is almost reached.
If deadline is 15. july, this in Europe usually mean till midnight between 15th and 16th. And deadline never end on Sunday. If deadline date is on Sunday, then it will be moved for one day on Monday.

So you'll wait another 24 hours...

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Here in Europe, 20 minutes to midnight.
Probably Bud is turning into a lycan as I'm typing this...

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Here in Europe, 20 minutes to midnight.
Probably Bud is turning into a lycan as I'm typing this...
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